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Episode 204

'Sean Combs: The Reckoning' & The Cost of Power

“Sean Combs: The Reckoning & The Cost of Power” digs into what happens when talent, ego, abuse and an industry built on exploitation collide. In this episode of Queue Points, DJ Sir Daniel and Jay Ray unpack the recent docuseries “Sean Combs: The Reckoning,” tracing how Diddy’s rise from hungry Mt. Vernon kid to global mogul was shaped—and warped—by the systems and elders who groomed him, and by his own relentless need for power and validation. What emerges is a portrait of a man who mastered the art of packaging Black culture for profit while allegedly leaving deep harm in his wake.

The hosts examine how the documentary weaves together their own formative hip‑hop years with Diddy’s ascent, using archival footage and Diddy’s own images to let him “tell on himself.” They discuss how the film balances conspiracy‑tinged speculation with documented fact, and why director Alex Stapleton’s approach avoids feeling like a cheap hit piece even as it surfaces disturbing stories about contracts, control and alleged abuse. From Uptown Records to Bad Boy, they connect Diddy’s business moves to a lineage of “OG predators” in the music industry who turned Black talent into a marketplace built on hidden fine print.

From there, the conversation turns to Diddy as a personality: a “hermit crab,” as Sir Daniel describes, who studies people, adopts their style and then moves in on what they value most, whether that’s creative energy, romantic partners or access. Sir Daniel and Jay Ray grapple with how childhood trauma, blurred boundaries and a deep sense of lack may have fed his alleged predatory behavior. They also sit with the pain embedded in stories like Joi Dickerson-Neal’s and Cassie’s, reading them as early and recent warnings about what power without accountability can do.

The episode also tackles 50 Cent’s role. The hosts interrogate how homophobia and fragile masculinity continue to shape hip‑hop’s responses to Diddy’s alleged behavior, from casual “fruity” comments on national TV to the way rumors about Diddy’s sexuality overshadow conversations about actual violence and abuse. They argue that sexual violence is fundamentally about power, not orientation, and call out the ways some elder statesmen of the culture are failing younger listeners with shallow, reactionary hot takes.

Ultimately, Sir Daniel and Jay Ray challenge listeners to think about complicity and responsibility—who enabled Diddy, who stayed silent, and what it means to truly support healthy, accountable Black media in this moment. They spotlight creators and platforms that are pushing more thoughtful conversations about gender, sexuality and harm in Black communities, and insist that if we want better elders and better examples, we have to actively back the work that feeds us.​

Key takeaways:

  • “Sean Combs: The Reckoning” uses Diddy’s own footage and era‑defining archives to show how his rise and alleged abuses were intertwined with the evolution of modern Black music.
  • The documentary situates Diddy in a lineage of powerful industry figures who exploited artists through predatory contracts and behind‑the‑scenes manipulation.
  • Diddy’s alleged behavior is framed less as about sex and more as about power, control, grooming and a deep, unresolved need for validation.
  • 50 Cent’s petty, homophobia‑tinged vendetta helped bring the doc to life, raising questions about motive without erasing the seriousness of the allegations it surfaces.
  • The hosts call for supporting responsible Black media and creators who model accountable, nuanced conversations about harm, masculinity and culture.

Chapter Markers

00:00 Intro Theme

00:16 Introduction and Greetings

01:01 The Importance of Black Music and Culture

05:55 Diddy's Transformation and Influence

09:04 Diddy's Personality and Controversies

29:04 Cassie's Story and Diddy's Relationships

30:17 The Role of Power and Influence

33:49 50 Cent's Involvement and Motivations

37:18 Sean's Grooming Tactics

38:01 Curtis Jackson's Controversial Comments

39:16 Internalized Homophobia in Hip Hop

43:42 Holiday Shopping and Supporting Black Brands

46:40 Closing Remarks and Outro

47:04 Outro Theme

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Transcript
Sir Daniel:

Gotta love it.

Sir Daniel:

Greetings and welcome to another episode of Queue Points podcast.

Sir Daniel:

I'm dj Sir Daniel, I,

Jay Ray:

and my name is Jay Ray, sometimes known by my government

Jay Ray:

as Johnnie Ray Kornegay III.

Jay Ray:

I have a cold, sir Daniel.

Sir Daniel:

was gonna say, what is this bedroom voice?

Sir Daniel:

What are we doing here?

Sir Daniel:

Are we

Sir Daniel:

trying

Jay Ray:

give

Sir Daniel:

to

Jay Ray:

to the people.

Jay Ray:

Yes.

Sir Daniel:

whole different audience?

Jay Ray:

We want the, the quiet storm audience should

Jay Ray:

be listening to Queue Points.

Jay Ray:

Welcome

Jay Ray:

to Queue Points,

Sir Daniel:

Shout out to, um, to Brother Melvin.

Sir Daniel:

Um, Lindsey, yes, for pioneering the quiet storm and to Jay Ray, Johnnie

Sir Daniel:

Ray Kornegay III, picking up the mantle and doing his thing on this episode.

Sir Daniel:

Jay Ray, I gotta say though, we, we are about to get into it, but before we get

Sir Daniel:

into the discussion at hand, I just gotta say, between this administration wanting

Sir Daniel:

to erase, you know, black history and black culture and the antics of said

Sir Daniel:

black culture keepers and creators,

Jay Ray:

Mm-hmm.

Sir Daniel:

I feel like the future of specifically black music and

Sir Daniel:

the heritage of black music is in clear and immediate danger

Jay Ray:

because

Sir Daniel:

the things that we're about to discuss during this episode.

Jay Ray:

That's fair.

Jay Ray:

Uh, that's fair.

Jay Ray:

But I also think that's why we exist and that's why we need to have this

Jay Ray:

conversation because we are going to write this ship here in Queue Points land.

Jay Ray:

But I do, I I agree with you.

Jay Ray:

I think if we let things slide the way things have been going,

Sir Daniel:

Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray:

we are in danger of one losing all the recipes.

Jay Ray:

Of course we have to talk about the fact that, uh, the Diddy documentary happened.

Jay Ray:

So both

Sir Daniel:

Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray:

and I, watched 'Sean Combs: The Reckoning'

Sir Daniel:

On the.

Jay Ray:

and, and, and what.

Jay Ray:

Was very, and we've, we've said this on the show, but the, the documentary,

Jay Ray:

uh, did a wonderful job of weaving together, sir Daniel, which is what is

Jay Ray:

essentially our teenage years, right?

Jay Ray:

The years that we kind of were formulating, um, you know, our

Jay Ray:

musical gaining our musical knowledge, formulating our tastes, and all of

Jay Ray:

these things were the same years that, uh, one Sean Combs was kind of

Jay Ray:

ascending into his, uh, his business career, his music career, et cetera.

Jay Ray:

And this documentary, does a really good job of telling,

Jay Ray:

blending conspiracy with truth.

Jay Ray:

You know what I'm saying?

Sir Daniel:

You gotta say that.

Sir Daniel:

Yes.

Jay Ray:

know, it's, it's, it's like a little bit of.

Jay Ray:

I see what you're doing there.

Jay Ray:

We don't know that that's factual.

Jay Ray:

It's a thing a lot of people say, but I guess that is the mark of a

Jay Ray:

good documentary is that you kind of, you have to suck the people in and

Jay Ray:

sometimes you have to suck the people in with what the people be thinking.

Sir Daniel:

Right.

Sir Daniel:

Uh, and yes, yes to everything that you said, documentaries, and we

Sir Daniel:

all know I love a good documentary.

Sir Daniel:

Um, documentaries also have to be entertaining.

Sir Daniel:

You

Jay Ray:

They do,

Sir Daniel:

know, they have to be entertaining and, you know,

Sir Daniel:

fact or fiction, sometimes

Jay Ray:

a

Sir Daniel:

a lie.

Sir Daniel:

And Charlemagne, the God has always said this fact or fiction a lie is always

Sir Daniel:

almost more entertaining than the truth.

Sir Daniel:

So that had, so with that being said, I gotta say that yes, I

Sir Daniel:

agree that the, the documentary itself was well, well put together.

Sir Daniel:

Um, IF found it very fascinating and you found it fascinating as well

Sir Daniel:

that the documentarian, including the executive producer Curtis, um,

Jay Ray:

mm-hmm.

Sir Daniel:

did a miraculous job of finding all of this

Sir Daniel:

footage and literally having.

Sir Daniel:

The, um, subject, tell this whole story, tell on himself, basically with their own

Sir Daniel:

footage, which I thought was very wild.

Sir Daniel:

And, and as we're seeing in the, in the past few days that a lot of cease and

Sir Daniel:

desists are coming out, a lot of, uh, you don't have my permission, um, talk is

Sir Daniel:

happening and a lot of people are upset about being included in this documentary.

Sir Daniel:

And we'll get to that part later on in the conversation because 50 cent is part of

Sir Daniel:

the bigger conversation that we're having here, and it's, it's kind of ridiculous.

Sir Daniel:

So I will say.

Sir Daniel:

I was not pressed to see this documentary at first Jay Ray, only

Sir Daniel:

because to this date, Jay Ray there are close to 10 docuseries already about,

Sir Daniel:

or dedicated to deconstructing the life and career of Sean Diddy Combs.

Sir Daniel:

There's almost 10 of them already.

Sir Daniel:

It's kind of like the, um, when r Kelly, when the r Kelly Mix tapes dropped,

Sir Daniel:

the doctors,

Jay Ray:

r

Sir Daniel:

I call them mix tapes, you know, there just seems to be an another

Sir Daniel:

one popping up everybody wants, is chopping at the bit to tell this story.

Jay Ray:

Mm-hmm.

Sir Daniel:

And I mean, at first I was like, there's not a whole lot here

Sir Daniel:

that I can learn or that I'm going to glean from this, but I did find.

Sir Daniel:

First thing I wanna say, Sean Combs, when you find those children be like,

Sir Daniel:

Hmm, that's not a good looking kid.

Sir Daniel:

But maybe when they grow into their face or they grow into their

Sir Daniel:

looks, he's definitely one of those people because those early, um, the

Sir Daniel:

early years when he was dancing in the, uh, Stacey Lattisaw video and

Sir Daniel:

whatnot, it was like he was so skinny

Jay Ray:

Yeah.

Sir Daniel:

and that face was, it almost looked cartoonlike

Sir Daniel:

to see that he, how he's grown into the, um, face that he, that he has now, and

Sir Daniel:

to grow into the body that he has now.

Sir Daniel:

It was kind of weird, but it was so funny to it.

Sir Daniel:

Just one of those things I was like, that was not a good looking young

Sir Daniel:

man when he was on the come up.

Jay Ray:

So I think this is actually a very interesting point,

Jay Ray:

and I loved, so to going back.

Jay Ray:

I

Sir Daniel:

Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray:

I didn't watch any of the other documentaries.

Sir Daniel:

Okay.

Jay Ray:

why, I all, you know why?

Jay Ray:

I do know why, because I felt like they was too soon.

Jay Ray:

I was like, I felt like all of these other documentaries came out and it

Jay Ray:

was really too soon and I couldn't, I was like, eh, I'm just gonna avoid it.

Jay Ray:

So I never saw any of 'em, like none of 'em.

Jay Ray:

Right.

Jay Ray:

So I found interesting to the point of talking about the look and, um, I think

Jay Ray:

it was Kirk Burrows who talked about this, who was like, no, no, no, no.

Jay Ray:

Like I watched Sean be made into cool.

Sir Daniel:

Yes.

Sir Daniel:

Yes.

Jay Ray:

you know, he had the drive.

Jay Ray:

Clearly, if there's one thing we know about about Diddy is that he's

Jay Ray:

always had the drive to be like a businessman and has always wanted

Jay Ray:

to be in front of the camera.

Jay Ray:

God bless him.

Jay Ray:

That man has never met a camera he ain't wanna be in front of.

Sir Daniel:

Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray:

he was also kind of a dork.

Sir Daniel:

Yeah,

Jay Ray:

I mean?

Jay Ray:

He was also kind of a dork.

Jay Ray:

so to study to, to, to, to watch Diddy in that era, that Stacey Lattisaw video, it

Jay Ray:

was hilarious to watch him go from that to be a little cooler in the Finesse Sinis

Jay Ray:

video to be like a little cooler by the time he starts hosting these parties where

Jay Ray:

you're like incrementally getting cooler.

Jay Ray:

And I feel like the weird part that you're seeing is Diddy is picking up.

Jay Ray:

Point pieces from people as he goes along.

Jay Ray:

So as he's moving, he's picking up pieces.

Sir Daniel:

I am so glad you said that because it made me

Sir Daniel:

think of this theory of that.

Sir Daniel:

There's a old, um, Angelina Jolie movie.

Sir Daniel:

She plays a detective or something, and she's chasing down the serial killer

Sir Daniel:

and she calls them a hermit crab.

Sir Daniel:

The, and the her, and the reason why she calls him a hermit crab or is that he.

Sir Daniel:

Just, um, what a hermit crab does, it always sheds its shell

Jay Ray:

Yes.

Sir Daniel:

and it's always looking for something to, um, something new

Sir Daniel:

to put his body into or to put onto some armor to put onto it.

Sir Daniel:

And that is exactly what Sean Combs is.

Sir Daniel:

Sean Combs is, is one of those personalities, uh, personality

Sir Daniel:

types that likes to take on.

Sir Daniel:

He sees something that, and he covets it and he wants to be it so bad to

Sir Daniel:

the point where he will, um, take on the characteristics and become the

Sir Daniel:

thing that he's trying that he covets.

Jay Ray:

Wow.

Sir Daniel:

And so two things.

Sir Daniel:

Um, I mommy issues I don't think is an can cover or describe what that young man has.

Sir Daniel:

Mommy issues does not go,

Jay Ray:

wow.

Sir Daniel:

does not pay any justice.

Sir Daniel:

And two, um.

Sir Daniel:

When you, I think that when you take on other people's personalities just so

Sir Daniel:

that you can take what they have, that's a different kind of monster because

Sir Daniel:

I, that's the thing that jumped out.

Sir Daniel:

Thank you.

Sir Daniel:

Debauch reason in the chat, it's called Taking Lives.

Sir Daniel:

That's exactly the name of the movie.

Sir Daniel:

When you do that, he went so far as not only did he want your life and to be you

Sir Daniel:

and to have your essence right, I'll be sure he wanted to take something that

Sir Daniel:

you prized that was a prized possession of yours, which was Kim Porter and when

Jay Ray:

what?

Sir Daniel:

and if nothing else, Didi may not have ever been the best rapper.

Sir Daniel:

He may have platinum albums and those things to his accolades.

Sir Daniel:

But the one thing that Diddy has mastered, he's the master of the dirty macing.

Sir Daniel:

Diddy is the master of dirty macing.

Sir Daniel:

He'll get close to you just so that he can take your girl,

Jay Ray:

Yep.

Sir Daniel:

marry her, impregnate her, um, and, and keep her locked

Sir Daniel:

away because he is that needy.

Sir Daniel:

He is that needy.

Sir Daniel:

He is that big of a gaping hole.

Sir Daniel:

Almost said pause there, but he has that much,

Jay Ray:

less

Sir Daniel:

he has that much just later.

Sir Daniel:

He has he that much of a gaping hole in his soul that he needs to fill it with

Sir Daniel:

people, with, um, with and coveting the things that they already have.

Sir Daniel:

And, and, and the accolades.

Sir Daniel:

That's the one, that's the main thing that I took away from this,

Sir Daniel:

um, from this documentary and.

Sir Daniel:

We see what it has done to him.

Sir Daniel:

What that personality disorder.

Sir Daniel:

'cause I feel like it's a personality disorder

Jay Ray:

Oh

Sir Daniel:

done to him.

Jay Ray:

I, I, I, I agree.

Jay Ray:

I think so a couple of things I, I, I wanna, I wanna, uh, mention

Jay Ray:

here, shout out to the director.

Jay Ray:

Her name is Alex Stapleton.

Jay Ray:

I believe it's Alexandra Stapleton, but she goes by Alex Stapleton.

Jay Ray:

I think Alex and team did a really good job of taking a project that could have

Jay Ray:

been just like salacious for salacious sake and really did try and add some,

Jay Ray:

uh, some, some, some good foundation into it to be like, no, no, no, no.

Jay Ray:

We're actually making a movie and talking about how this person

Jay Ray:

existed in all of our lives.

Jay Ray:

Because real, Diddy has been a part of all of our lives, uh,

Sir Daniel:

Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray:

You know what I'm saying?

Jay Ray:

kind of the monster.

Jay Ray:

The monster of an industry that fed that ego.

Jay Ray:

So I, I think Alex definitely deserves some, some props for that.

Jay Ray:

I also wanna mention that this documentary is also a, a master

Jay Ray:

class in stuff can be two things.

Sir Daniel:

Hmm.

Jay Ray:

can be like really talented at a thing and molding it into something

Jay Ray:

that people would want to buy.

Jay Ray:

He's like, man, like he will see that talent and be like, boom, I

Jay Ray:

can package this thing right here year and make it into something.

Sir Daniel:

Yes.

Sir Daniel:

Yes.

Jay Ray:

Master of that.

Jay Ray:

And also an awful human being, you know what I'm saying?

Jay Ray:

At the exact scene, you know, like and so the other, the other piece of this is.

Jay Ray:

There would, I liked that the people who were speaking in this documentary,

Jay Ray:

I don't feel like it was a hit piece.

Jay Ray:

I, I really did feel like they were actually just speaking from experience.

Jay Ray:

Like, no, this is what happened.

Jay Ray:

That as I recall it,

Sir Daniel:

Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray:

and this is what this guy was doing as I recall it, right.

Jay Ray:

And we have evidence that it was true.

Jay Ray:

So they were weaving all of the pieces together.

Jay Ray:

Like when they was talking about like, you know, how Diddy learned according to

Jay Ray:

them, learned how Andre Harrell did the contracts over at Uptown and they was

Jay Ray:

like, oh no, Diddy took that and did it.

Jay Ray:

Even tighter than that was like, you are never going to figure out where

Jay Ray:

the money is, how your money got spent.

Jay Ray:

None of that.

Jay Ray:

Like, he tightened all of that stuff up and.

Jay Ray:

like, damn.

Jay Ray:

Like, but then you realize Diddy was learning from the OGs, the Russell

Sir Daniel:

the

Jay Ray:

the Andre

Sir Daniel:

OG Predators,

Jay Ray:

OG Predators, you

Sir Daniel:

Yeah, I mean

Jay Ray:

mean,

Sir Daniel:

we, we've said, we have conceded that even with the

Sir Daniel:

growth of this culture, as we talk about hip hop with growth comes the

Sir Daniel:

commercial part, the money aspect.

Sir Daniel:

And with the money aspect comes a lot of filth, a lot of grimy, a lot of

Sir Daniel:

grimy characters and grimy behavior.

Sir Daniel:

And time has shown us that a lot of these people, yes, we got

Sir Daniel:

to see them in the limelight.

Sir Daniel:

They presented a lot of, you know, champagne wishes and caviar dreams.

Sir Daniel:

However, they were monsters in the background,

Jay Ray:

and.

Sir Daniel:

they learned it from the other monsters that have been in

Sir Daniel:

control of the, the music industry for, you know, for years, for decades.

Sir Daniel:

And so what we, and so you kind of can't be mad at it because that is the game.

Sir Daniel:

But yes, you can be mad at it because these are people that you have sole dreams

Sir Daniel:

to that are naturally gifted and you're exploiting their gifts because you realize

Sir Daniel:

what it can mean for you in the future.

Jay Ray:

Yeah.

Sir Daniel:

But again, that is the nature of the business.

Sir Daniel:

So now, um.

Sir Daniel:

You mentioned Andre Harrell, you mentioned, um, Russell Simmons.

Sir Daniel:

Um, I was taken aback because I want to, um, acknowledge Joy Dickerson Neil.

Jay Ray:

That was, while that segment.

Jay Ray:

That

Sir Daniel:

That segment was really, um, was eye was eyeopening because I

Sir Daniel:

recognized, when I saw the Steady B album cover, I was like, oh, that is her.

Jay Ray:

yeah.

Sir Daniel:

And then Jay Ray, when they flashed to the Finesse and quiz

Sir Daniel:

video, I was like, that's her from the Cabrio le riding around with Diddy

Sir Daniel:

with the big white apple jack hat on.

Sir Daniel:

And, but I gotta pause real

Jay Ray:

real

Sir Daniel:

one second to get to shout out Fines, essence, and quiz the si.

Sir Daniel:

The title of that song for that video was Straight From the Soul.

Sir Daniel:

That bar where, um, joy Dickerson shows up.

Jay Ray:

Mm-hmm.

Sir Daniel:

If you listen to the lyrics, I would love to ask them.

Sir Daniel:

It was like, did Didi inspire those lyrics?

Sir Daniel:

Because you all are clearly talking about him.

Sir Daniel:

Even though at that time, as everybody said, Didi was not into drugs, he was

Sir Daniel:

not into alcohol, all of those things, he kept all of those demons away from him.

Sir Daniel:

He was not into that.

Sir Daniel:

But that lyric of you can't talk positive and do the opposite.

Jay Ray:

Yep.

Sir Daniel:

Sniff and smoke, sniff and snort, drink and drive

Sir Daniel:

and have your sister strip.

Jay Ray:

Yep.

Sir Daniel:

And I was like, they, they were, I, they weren't maybe describing him

Sir Daniel:

then, but they were seeing into the future because that is exactly what he became.

Sir Daniel:

If you all need to hear that song, I'm sure you could pull it up on YouTube.

Sir Daniel:

I thought that was just so ironic and telling and very futuristic on

Sir Daniel:

the, on the, um, behalf of Finesse and Quiz to make that rhyme.

Sir Daniel:

And for him to be, uh, to, to have a cameo in the video for that particular

Sir Daniel:

bar was just, it was not lost on me.

Sir Daniel:

It might have went over some of y'all heads, but you know me, you know, I'm

Sir Daniel:

the, um, the female rap historian.

Sir Daniel:

So those things definitely stood out to me with regards to this,

Sir Daniel:

um, to this, to this docuseries.

Jay Ray:

Yeah.

Sir Daniel:

you know, joy Dickerson was like one of the first, well, not

Sir Daniel:

the first, but she clearly was one of the beginning, one of the victims of

Sir Daniel:

the beginning of, um, revenge porn.

Jay Ray:

Yeah,

Sir Daniel:

You know

Jay Ray:

Yep.

Sir Daniel:

what we saw if,

Jay Ray:

because

Sir Daniel:

what we saw is we, we know that the reason why we have

Sir Daniel:

this documentary, documentary is that Diddy, um, documents

Sir Daniel:

everything with his, with videos.

Sir Daniel:

There are videos everywhere.

Sir Daniel:

There's a somebody with a camera rolling at all times.

Sir Daniel:

And that was happening way

Sir Daniel:

back in the late eighties, early nineties.

Sir Daniel:

So I can only imagine, I don't think it's far from, it's not hard to

Sir Daniel:

imagine that he was in fact recording

Jay Ray:

people

Sir Daniel:

people having sex because again, that they tie the,

Sir Daniel:

they tie the two together again.

Sir Daniel:

Alpo, who is a, um, a Harlem legend, uh, drug dealer, like they said,

Sir Daniel:

Alpo would video, would record sex sessions between him and other

Sir Daniel:

girls and would play them in public.

Sir Daniel:

And Diddy, once again, once so bad to have the clout, the

Sir Daniel:

kids call it clout chasing now.

Sir Daniel:

He wanted that clout and that kind of reputation, so he would

Sir Daniel:

start doing the same things.

Sir Daniel:

So it's like, you know what I could you, you sold me on that one.

Sir Daniel:

I can believe this theory.

Jay Ray:

You know, and so going back, so, uh, uh, uh, Kimberly, you mentioned

Jay Ray:

before like, are y'all gonna make me wanna go see this documentary?

Jay Ray:

And this is why I actually think this documentary is particularly interesting

Jay Ray:

and why I think Alex and Team deserve.

Jay Ray:

Kudos.

Jay Ray:

Um, because they take these pieces of and nineties, black history, New York

Sir Daniel:

Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray:

and weave them together in ways to explain potentially, right.

Jay Ray:

The theories potentially explain Diddy was doing some of

Jay Ray:

the things that he was doing.

Jay Ray:

So coming with all the stuff from the history, we talk

Jay Ray:

about the mom stuff, right?

Jay Ray:

Coming with all of that, the, the looming, uh, a ghost of his father, right?

Jay Ray:

And trying to live up to whatever that legacy was.

Jay Ray:

And we don't even know what the truth of that is, right?

Jay Ray:

But try to live up to that, the mommy stuff and the wanting to be

Jay Ray:

cool, the wanting to be accepted, the clout, chaser, nature of who he is.

Jay Ray:

It's all in here.

Jay Ray:

And here's what's crazy about that too, is I'm, I'm watching this.

Jay Ray:

Documentary and I'm watching Diddy in present day.

Jay Ray:

'cause one, can I just, p can we just take a minute and say

Jay Ray:

how I was about to say pause?

Jay Ray:

Can we just take a minute and say how crazy it is that he

Jay Ray:

would be documenting all of this?

Sir Daniel:

Right, because

Sir Daniel:

he re, he believes it's crazy, but he believes so much in himself and

Sir Daniel:

that he hasn't done anything wrong.

Sir Daniel:

I haven't done anything wrong.

Sir Daniel:

I'm just a kid from Harlem that pulled myself up by my bootstraps.

Sir Daniel:

I haven't done anything wrong and the, and this is going, and I'm gonna be,

Sir Daniel:

I'm gonna be proven innocent and I'm gonna be victorious as I always come

Sir Daniel:

out victorious in these situations.

Jay Ray:

Yeah.

Jay Ray:

Yes.

Sir Daniel:

Yes.

Jay Ray:

I'm, I'm so confused.

Jay Ray:

Like I was literally confused, like, how so?

Jay Ray:

It makes me to that point.

Jay Ray:

Yes sir. Daniel, you are absolutely right and it makes me.

Jay Ray:

the type of person who would do that.

Jay Ray:

And I don't know what that diagnosis is.

Jay Ray:

I ain't in that, I ain't sitting in that man's therapy sessions, but I'm

Jay Ray:

like, what kind of person would record all of this happening to that point?

Sir Daniel:

An apex predator.

Jay Ray:

Oh my god.

Jay Ray:

You know what was disappointing to me?

Jay Ray:

Um, watching his boy children

Sir Daniel:

Ah.

Jay Ray:

young men.

Sir Daniel:

Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray:

There next to him.

Jay Ray:

This is their father who's clearly not in a good state.

Jay Ray:

Like there's pieces of this documentary.

Jay Ray:

He's clearly high.

Sir Daniel:

Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray:

shuffling around this hotel room like Ozzy Osborne, like slurring his

Jay Ray:

words and his, you know, you have, uh, Justin and uh, Christian, uh, king Holmes.

Jay Ray:

Uh, Holmes is Christian.

Jay Ray:

I think

Sir Daniel:

That is.

Jay Ray:

kind of in the space with him.

Jay Ray:

And I'm like, one, I don't know who, I don't know why your

Jay Ray:

sons are your best friends.

Jay Ray:

I don't understand that.

Jay Ray:

And two, why I wouldn't, I would not, I loved my dad, loved him.

Jay Ray:

We didn't hang out.

Jay Ray:

We might on occasion go out.

Jay Ray:

But we didn't hang out, you know what I'm saying?

Jay Ray:

Like, we wasn't hanging, we wasn't at the same spots, you know what I mean?

Jay Ray:

Especially doing the things that Diddy is doing.

Jay Ray:

And there were so many moments where people would be like, oh, you know,

Jay Ray:

Justin and Diddy were in there.

Jay Ray:

And I'm like, in there doing what?

Jay Ray:

Like,

Sir Daniel:

Yeah.

Sir Daniel:

Well, again, going back to what I said in the beginning, what we saw,

Sir Daniel:

what, what is documented is that there are clear, there were clear

Sir Daniel:

boundary issues, um, in his upbringing.

Sir Daniel:

Between him and his parent.

Sir Daniel:

His, um, allegedly his mom exposed him to whatever, uh, hustler

Sir Daniel:

lifestyle she was doing because clearly she, you know, she had a

Sir Daniel:

lifestyle that she wanted to maintain.

Jay Ray:

Yep.

Sir Daniel:

And even in, um, after the murder of his father, she

Sir Daniel:

was maintaining that lifestyle.

Sir Daniel:

But, and then she was doing things to, to confuse those things.

Sir Daniel:

Confuse children when they're growing up.

Sir Daniel:

When you assign them adult roles at a ch at a, at a very young age,

Sir Daniel:

those things can confuse you and you start to think that, yes, I am

Sir Daniel:

an adult, and that there are no.

Sir Daniel:

Boundaries between adults and children.

Sir Daniel:

And then, so that's what you're seeing now is that he has always

Sir Daniel:

had a hard time with boundaries.

Sir Daniel:

That's when I don't think boundaries, I don't think boundaries and Sean

Sir Daniel:

Combs exist in the same sentence.

Sir Daniel:

Like, and that's the thing that everybody has in common with him, is

Sir Daniel:

that he always violates boundaries.

Sir Daniel:

And so he's violated the boundaries between parents and children.

Sir Daniel:

So it doesn't shock me that you see him rolling up and

Sir Daniel:

passing a joint to his sons.

Sir Daniel:

You know, even though some might say, that's not really a big deal.

Sir Daniel:

I'll drink with my dad and I'll smoke with my dad and whatnot.

Sir Daniel:

Fine.

Sir Daniel:

But I'm not gonna,

Jay Ray:

Yeah.

Jay Ray:

yeah, yeah,

Sir Daniel:

yeah, I'm not gonna argue with you on that.

Sir Daniel:

However, when it comes to allegedly, um.

Sir Daniel:

You know, engaging in sexual activity with your dad.

Sir Daniel:

And those are the things, those, that's pre, that is sexual assault.

Jay Ray:

Mm-hmm.

Sir Daniel:

That is, um, if you were, uh, now I'm not gonna use that word,

Sir Daniel:

but that is a sexual assault to on, on your child when you do those things.

Sir Daniel:

And again, you confuse them about those boundaries.

Sir Daniel:

And I can guarantee you that those children in a couple years, those two, I

Sir Daniel:

think those two particular in particular

Sir Daniel:

are going to, something is gonna come up in the future

Sir Daniel:

where they're gonna get accused

Sir Daniel:

of violent.

Jay Ray:

has

Sir Daniel:

That is true.

Sir Daniel:

Not, yeah.

Sir Daniel:

Wait, Christian or Justin?

Sir Daniel:

Both of them,

Jay Ray:

Cole.

Sir Daniel:

actually.

Sir Daniel:

Both of

Sir Daniel:

them.

Jay Ray:

I think

Sir Daniel:

Because Justin was, Justin was well on his way to having a football

Sir Daniel:

career, but that got sidetracked because he, you know, he, he wanted to be Billy

Sir Daniel:

Badass and he got into an altercation and.

Sir Daniel:

Uh, you see, he's not playing football anywhere

Sir Daniel:

anymore for anybody.

Sir Daniel:

He's

Jay Ray:

What do, what talent do?

Jay Ray:

These kids have

Sir Daniel:

being, being a combs, being daddy's little.

Sir Daniel:

He being daddy's little

Sir Daniel:

henchman.

Jay Ray:

they're a Combs J

Jay Ray:

right?

Sir Daniel:

They're combs, they're comb, they're part of the, they're,

Sir Daniel:

they're part of the honeycombs,

Sir Daniel:

the honeycomb.

Jay Ray:

Jaguar, right?

Jay Ray:

So, oh, to this, to this point actually, um, I, the other thing

Jay Ray:

about this documentary that I think is really interesting, uh, people.

Jay Ray:

This is part of the reason why this show is titled Where what it

Jay Ray:

is is like, uh, grow Grow to F Up.

Jay Ray:

Because people have made a lot of of jokes about the gay stuff, but I'm

Jay Ray:

like, you look at this documentary and you realize like that is really

Jay Ray:

a non-actor in this conversation.

Jay Ray:

Actually it means nothing to the grand scheme of things that are going on.

Jay Ray:

I don't even think, I think it may have come up like a little bit with

Jay Ray:

the Kirk Borough sharing his story,

Sir Daniel:

And don't forget little Rod.

Jay Ray:

Little Rod.

Jay Ray:

It came up with a little ride, but really not at all.

Jay Ray:

people making a big deal out of it was so dumb.

Jay Ray:

'cause I'm like, what we've been saying is that's not even a big

Jay Ray:

deal

Sir Daniel:

It is not, it's really because if you understand what is

Sir Daniel:

behind sexual assault, sexual assault is not about pleasure or gratification.

Sir Daniel:

It is strictly about power

Jay Ray:

and control.

Jay Ray:

Mm-hmm.

Sir Daniel:

and control.

Sir Daniel:

Sean Diddy Combs has always been, has always been, has always been about

Sir Daniel:

asserting power and control and he is going to do use whatever tactic

Jay Ray:

tactic

Sir Daniel:

is.

Sir Daniel:

Um, is most, um, is available right there and then at, to, to do it with.

Sir Daniel:

And if that means he's going to, you know, um, pull down your pants and

Sir Daniel:

drug, you pull down your pants and and do something to you while you are

Sir Daniel:

inebriated, he's gonna do that because he is got it recorded, because he is

Sir Daniel:

gonna put, hold that over your head.

Jay Ray:

Jesus

Sir Daniel:

not above doing any of those things because he wants

Sir Daniel:

to exert power and control.

Sir Daniel:

So it really has absolutely nothing to do with sex and sexuality.

Sir Daniel:

Um, there's nothing romantic about anything that he's done.

Sir Daniel:

And before we move on to the, to this, to that section Jay Ray, 'cause

Sir Daniel:

I know where we're going with this.

Sir Daniel:

I do want to say, we talked about the whole Cassie situation and the

Sir Daniel:

one thing that that resonated with me throughout this whole thing is

Sir Daniel:

when Cassie, um, ran into Kalina.

Sir Daniel:

A backstage at that bad boy reunion and Kaleena was pregnant and Cassie was

Sir Daniel:

like, see, that's what I'm talking about.

Sir Daniel:

That is what I want.

Jay Ray:

Yeah.

Sir Daniel:

want that.

Sir Daniel:

Cassie wanted desperately growing into a woman, wanted desperately to be a mother,

Jay Ray:

Yes.

Sir Daniel:

and I had always said, J Ray, when they were to, when we had no idea

Sir Daniel:

what was going on, I just kept saying to myself, I really can't believe that

Sir Daniel:

he has not knocked her up like he is not

Jay Ray:

knocking a heed, like walk past a woman as she

Sir Daniel:

as they get pregnant and twins, he has the capacity

Sir Daniel:

to have twins and everything.

Sir Daniel:

And I said, Hmm.

Sir Daniel:

He never got her pregnant.

Sir Daniel:

And all that said to, that was divine intervention.

Sir Daniel:

To me, that was completely divine intervention because as soon as she was

Sir Daniel:

free from that man and got married and got into a safe and loving relationship, boom.

Sir Daniel:

Pregnant right then, right off the.

Sir Daniel:

I was like, you can't tell me that that wasn't divine intervention.

Sir Daniel:

So, you know, I just, and one other thing that we have to talk about that

Sir Daniel:

was very, um, made implicit with this docuseries is the willingness of people

Sir Daniel:

at all, um, at all eras of his career.

Sir Daniel:

The willingness of people to go along with what's happening and turn a blind eye

Jay Ray:

because

Sir Daniel:

because there's, I guess there's this, there's this, I.

Sir Daniel:

Hypnosis that comes along with being in the power, in the proximity of power or

Sir Daniel:

perceived power that a lot of people have.

Sir Daniel:

And I've seen it in person IJ Ray.

Sir Daniel:

Ooh, such a great example.

Sir Daniel:

There's a, a legendary radio announcer here in Atlanta

Jay Ray:

that,

Sir Daniel:

that, um, was present at an event that Diddy

Sir Daniel:

used to have called Think Big,

Jay Ray:

Mm-hmm.

Sir Daniel:

Diddy, of course, was being real Hollywood and did not show up to

Sir Daniel:

the event when he said he was, he was fashionably late, this legendary, um,

Sir Daniel:

radio announcer, um, did the thing, made his announcements and was like,

Sir Daniel:

looked at his watch and was like, huh,

Jay Ray:

like,

Sir Daniel:

Diddy don't know.

Sir Daniel:

Diddy don't know who he dealing with.

Sir Daniel:

I, you know, I run Atlanta.

Sir Daniel:

I'm about to be outta here.

Sir Daniel:

I got things to do.

Sir Daniel:

But, and he literally was told everybody, I'll see you all later.

Jay Ray:

Yes.

Sir Daniel:

And started walking to his car.

Sir Daniel:

Don't you know when those limos pulled up, like it was a scene outta coming

Sir Daniel:

to America when the limos pulled up, that grown man made up Beline from

Sir Daniel:

the car, from his car way off in the parking lot and pumped on back over

Sir Daniel:

to where we were when he saw, um, Sean Diddy Combs come out and hopped

Sir Daniel:

in there and was, you know, Sam,

Sir Daniel:

Sam bowing and

Jay Ray:

building.

Sir Daniel:

did, yeah.

Sir Daniel:

Hey y'all, you know Diddy in the building?

Sir Daniel:

Remember that scene of waiting to exhale when Robin came through with

Sir Daniel:

that crack head to the party with

Sir Daniel:

all the white people?

Sir Daniel:

That's how he was acting when Diddy showed up and he was just all over the place.

Sir Daniel:

Like, I mean, it was really fascinating to witness in real time what star

Sir Daniel:

power, and I'm putting up air quotes.

Jay Ray:

Hmm.

Sir Daniel:

Can make people do.

Sir Daniel:

But I said all of that to say that the proximity to power is super dangerous.

Sir Daniel:

I think, I guess it's very intoxicating and will have people doing things that

Sir Daniel:

they wouldn't necessarily do because I, we hear things about this current

Sir Daniel:

administration that people, for whatever reason, when they get into the, this

Sir Daniel:

current president's um, uh, area, when they get around him, they, for whatever

Sir Daniel:

reason, they start kowtowing to him.

Sir Daniel:

And it's embarrassing from what I understand.

Sir Daniel:

And they start wanting to, they feel like I'm going to get some

Sir Daniel:

power just being in your presence.

Sir Daniel:

And I said all that to say that that is such a dangerous thing because

Sir Daniel:

so many people got hurt because so many people turned a blind eye

Jay Ray:

Yes.

Sir Daniel:

and, and saw things that happened and were too scared

Sir Daniel:

or didn't feel like they had enough power to do anything, which continued

Sir Daniel:

to make this, um, this monster.

Sir Daniel:

Grow to be the person he is.

Jay Ray:

you know what?

Jay Ray:

That is actually a perfect segue into, I think this is a good place to.

Jay Ray:

Talk about 50 cent.

Jay Ray:

two things.

Jay Ray:

First thing is, I hate that white people call him 50 cent.

Jay Ray:

I think that's stupid.

Jay Ray:

Okay?

Jay Ray:

They keep doing it and we're here with 50 cent.

Jay Ray:

That is not it.

Jay Ray:

It's just 50 cent.

Jay Ray:

It's fine.

Sir Daniel:

that's right up there.

Sir Daniel:

We're calling Atlanta A TL

Jay Ray:

A

Sir Daniel:

or Hot.

Jay Ray:

or Hot Atlanta.

Jay Ray:

Um, SO'S thing number one.

Sir Daniel:

Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray:

Thing number two is

Jay Ray:

there's 50 is not a benevolent figure.

Jay Ray:

You know what I'm saying?

Jay Ray:

Like by any means, and I think

Jay Ray:

it is wild.

Jay Ray:

So when you talk about feeding a monster, right?

Jay Ray:

Ah.

Jay Ray:

It is crazy to know that this man made this documentary because he could,

Jay Ray:

more importantly, he made it because he

Jay Ray:

really hates Diddy.

Jay Ray:

Like, he just is like, listen, I not only have the power to do

Jay Ray:

this, have the desire to do this.

Jay Ray:

that is weird to have that kind of desire fed, even though Alex did a

Jay Ray:

great job with creating this, I think they took a subject that could have

Jay Ray:

been, uh, uh, salacious and made it into something that is compelling.

Sir Daniel:

Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray:

you know, the man did this because he hates him.

Sir Daniel:

At the root of it.

Sir Daniel:

This man, I mean, pe Petty, petty doesn't begin to encapsulate

Sir Daniel:

Curtis 50 cent Jackson.

Sir Daniel:

And I mean, he is self-proclaimed.

Sir Daniel:

He is self-proclaimed, petty, the king of petty.

Jay Ray:

He,

Sir Daniel:

He, he does not mind, um, saying that he is petty and he does.

Sir Daniel:

And he told us years ago that if, if we got beef, we got beef forever,

Sir Daniel:

it's, it's up and it's stuck.

Sir Daniel:

He, um, because he and I, that's a great, um, that is a great point.

Sir Daniel:

Ko said that 50 low key should be called the finisher with how he buries careers.

Sir Daniel:

He, it, it, it becomes his, it becomes his job to make sure that

Sir Daniel:

you are penniless with no friends.

Jay Ray:

friends.

Sir Daniel:

With not even a shirt on your back.

Sir Daniel:

It is his job.

Sir Daniel:

Now, we, us Queue Points started off this conversation about the documentary

Sir Daniel:

because it's in the zeitgeist and it's stuff that we needed to, to discuss, but

Sir Daniel:

as you said, at the root of it all, this all has come about because of homophobia

Sir Daniel:

and perceived this homophobia on the, on the,

Jay Ray:

the, on the

Sir Daniel:

the part of Curtis because he perceived that, um,

Sir Daniel:

Diddy was inviting him on, wanted to take him on a shopping spree,

Sir Daniel:

something that happened maybe 20 years ago.

Jay Ray:

ago.

Jay Ray:

Long time.

Sir Daniel:

A very long time ago.

Sir Daniel:

Um, we know that could, was Sean being serious?

Sir Daniel:

Probably that he would, because that's what, yes.

Sir Daniel:

He, he is a predator and yes, he does that as part of his grooming.

Sir Daniel:

He does do those things to get you to gain your confidence and

Sir Daniel:

to, to make you feel comfortable.

Sir Daniel:

To let your guard down.

Sir Daniel:

Yes.

Sir Daniel:

Perceived ho, ho, well, not perceived, um, but the perceived,

Sir Daniel:

um, sexuality part of it all.

Sir Daniel:

Um, he uses, he still to this day at his grown age, uses the term

Sir Daniel:

fruity to describe, to describe

Sir Daniel:

the conversation.

Sir Daniel:

Yes.

Sir Daniel:

He's, he was on a Good Morning America and used the term fruity.

Sir Daniel:

That,

Sir Daniel:

that, did he,

Jay Ray:

were still using the term fruity.

Jay Ray:

Okay.

Sir Daniel:

Curtis, Curtis Jackson sat up there in front

Sir Daniel:

of Robin, um, what's her name?

Sir Daniel:

Robin.

Sir Daniel:

Um.

Sir Daniel:

Robin Roberts and call that man fruity on national television,

Sir Daniel:

daytime television at that.

Jay Ray:

Okay.

Sir Daniel:

so, right.

Sir Daniel:

So we're talking about two decades of a perceived comment, because really this

Sir Daniel:

is, I think this is more of a perceived attack on his sexuality, meaning

Sir Daniel:

that 50

Jay Ray:

SHA

Sir Daniel:

50 probably was

Jay Ray:

do too much

Sir Daniel:

exactly, it's like 50 was like, well, how, what makes you

Sir Daniel:

think that You can say that to me?

Sir Daniel:

Am I giving off something that makes you think that you can take me trick

Sir Daniel:

on me and you could take me out to, to, to, to dinner and go and take me to

Sir Daniel:

VIM and go shopping for new sneakers?

Sir Daniel:

You know, those.

Sir Daniel:

So he, to me, he overthought that.

Sir Daniel:

First of all, he overthought that.

Sir Daniel:

First of all, I'm sure.

Sir Daniel:

Do you know how many people Diddy has taken shopping?

Sir Daniel:

Dudes like, I'm sure he's taking the clip shopping.

Sir Daniel:

He's taking all of those Pharrell, he's taking all of those boys,

Sir Daniel:

all of those guys shopping, and they ain't say a word about it.

Sir Daniel:

They got their Louis Vuitton, those Louis Vuitton fanny packs and hid it.

Sir Daniel:

They got what they needed and bounced.

Sir Daniel:

But his, that internalized homophobia

Jay Ray:

Oof.

Sir Daniel:

got Curtis in a choke hole and made him sink all of his money into, um,

Sir Daniel:

into putting together this documentary.

Sir Daniel:

And that's why, part of the reason why we say, seriously, y'all,

Sir Daniel:

y'all have got to grow the bleep up

Jay Ray:

yes,

Sir Daniel:

it's not just 50.

Sir Daniel:

There is this ongoing, the, the, the, the grown men.

Sir Daniel:

That are supposed to be.

Sir Daniel:

The elder statesmen of hip hop right now are just so disappointing.

Sir Daniel:

They are disappointing me from left to right, from all angles.

Sir Daniel:

The ones that now have podcasts, they are all disappointing me with these

Sir Daniel:

very stunted, emotionally immature, hot takes and behaviors that is just taking

Sir Daniel:

over their lives and is influencing the lives, influencing the lives of a lot

Sir Daniel:

of young men that are watching them.

Sir Daniel:

So if you wanna fight it, you have to support.

Sir Daniel:

The people that are putting together the quality content that you want to

Sir Daniel:

see, the quality content that you wanna share with the young people in your lives

Sir Daniel:

that you feel could benefit from it.

Sir Daniel:

It's not gonna happen, um, by osmosis.

Sir Daniel:

You gonna have to sit, hey, you gonna have to, um, be active and

Sir Daniel:

actively say, I'm gonna actively subscribe to this podcast because

Sir Daniel:

this brother is, is kicking knowledge.

Sir Daniel:

The if it, thank God for somebody like a Deontay Kyle right now who is

Sir Daniel:

as a, as a heterosexual man who is really taking other heterosexual men

Sir Daniel:

to task and holding them accountable.

Jay Ray:

Yes.

Sir Daniel:

And it is like, and, and it is not letting up off

Sir Daniel:

their throats, off their necks.

Sir Daniel:

It is just pause.

Sir Daniel:

It is just really what's needed right now

Jay Ray:

Right.

Sir Daniel:

I'm so happy for it.

Sir Daniel:

And we just need more of that.

Jay Ray:

Yeah.

Sir Daniel:

we need to be more supportive of people like, uh,

Sir Daniel:

the grits and X podcasts and Queue

Sir Daniel:

points.

Jay Ray:

the red Yes.

Jay Ray:

Queue Points and waving the red flag.

Jay Ray:

And, and, and Dr. Ed Gars and Sweet Tea Ethics.

Jay Ray:

And just

Sir Daniel:

Yes.

Sir Daniel:

Yes.

Jay Ray:

these, these platforms, the Counter Narrative project in CNP, all

Jay Ray:

fairness, like I, I, I, I work there,

Sir Daniel:

Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray:

even just thinking about the event that we had tonight, um,

Jay Ray:

uh, uh, brother, uh, the, a black man reading and Charles Stevens and

Jay Ray:

Doug Jones in conversation about Doug

Sir Daniel:

Yep.

Jay Ray:

book.

Jay Ray:

So we got this straight brother in conversation with these queer

Jay Ray:

brothers about this book that has these gay characters and really

Jay Ray:

talking about the stuff and

Sir Daniel:

Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray:

conversations back and forth, right?

Jay Ray:

These are what we need to do.

Jay Ray:

And so, thank you, sir Daniel for.

Jay Ray:

Reminding all of us that support the things that feed you right?

Jay Ray:

Share the things that feed you with other people, um, because that's the

Jay Ray:

only way that these platforms grow.

Jay Ray:

And, um, and so for y'all, um, unless you have something else

Jay Ray:

you wanna cover, I wanna tell the people how they could support us.

Jay Ray:

Sir Daniel, what else you would

Sir Daniel:

Oh, the, the only thing I wanna do really quickly

Jay Ray:

uhhuh

Sir Daniel:

is speaking of supporting and feeding the things that will

Sir Daniel:

feed us, I wanted to give a shout out to our friend Asha d Simon,

Jay Ray:

Yay.

Sir Daniel:

has, um, just recently released his book, um,

Jay Ray:

Uh, uh, uh, it is Faith

Sir Daniel:

faith, faith Deconstruction for Dummies.

Sir Daniel:

Absolutely.

Sir Daniel:

Faith Deconstruction for Dummies.

Sir Daniel:

Um, it is if you are, if religion and dogma has caused you some type of

Sir Daniel:

hurt or even you just have questions

Jay Ray:

Yes.

Sir Daniel:

Religion and how it's being handled and or you are, you are starting

Sir Daniel:

to notice how white supremacy is playing a role in your, in your black life right now

Jay Ray:

Yes.

Sir Daniel:

comes to religion.

Sir Daniel:

That's the book for you.

Sir Daniel:

Um, I'm super proud of him.

Sir Daniel:

Um, it's out there on Amazon and all the other platforms

Sir Daniel:

that you can purchase books.

Sir Daniel:

Um, he's having, I can't wait to see this live q and a that

Sir Daniel:

he's gonna have next week.

Sir Daniel:

So I'm super proud of him.

Sir Daniel:

If you just, if it's a great book to support and it's a great, this is a

Sir Daniel:

great brother to support as well, so I just wanted to throw that out there.

Jay Ray:

Great holiday gifts.

Sir Daniel:

Absolutely

Jay Ray:

think about that.

Jay Ray:

So this holiday season, because lemme tell y'all something, I'm

Jay Ray:

being real clear about the holiday.

Jay Ray:

I already told my mom and my brother this, it's gonna be real light

Jay Ray:

because I ain't giving these people, I ain't giving them nothing, nothing.

Jay Ray:

Like I'm not giving, I'm not giving y'all too much.

Jay Ray:

I'm just not giving y'all my coins.

Sir Daniel:

Let me say this to Jay Ray.

Sir Daniel:

We sat up there, everybody was talking about stuff.

Sir Daniel:

Yeah, man.

Sir Daniel:

Black Friday, we ain't doing none of that.

Sir Daniel:

We ain't, we ain't buying nothing.

Sir Daniel:

We not going to target, we not doing this.

Sir Daniel:

We not buying that.

Sir Daniel:

We, we staying home $8 trillion later.

Sir Daniel:

Somebody's lying.

Sir Daniel:

Somebody, somebody

Sir Daniel:

is lying.

Sir Daniel:

Y'all went out, somebody went out shopping.

Sir Daniel:

Somebody was sitting on that line outside waiting for that, um,

Sir Daniel:

that quote unquote gift bag with a hundred dollars worth of merchandise.

Sir Daniel:

And all you got was a, a pack of plane cards and some, um, some, some chapstick.

Jay Ray:

right

Sir Daniel:

You, you got played, but yes, $8 trillion later.

Sir Daniel:

Jra, somebody lying.

Sir Daniel:

But, um, we going, we we're gonna hold ourselves accountable and

Sir Daniel:

do what we can do.

Jay Ray:

accountable.

Jay Ray:

Listen, so that point, shop brands.

Jay Ray:

That you, that, that also support the community.

Jay Ray:

So to that point, y'all, thank y'all so much for being here with us.

Jay Ray:

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Jay Ray:

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Jay Ray:

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Jay Ray:

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Jay Ray:

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Jay Ray:

We really appreciate it.

Jay Ray:

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Jay Ray:

We loved seeing the fact that, you know, we were in your Spotify top podcast.

Jay Ray:

We love that.

Jay Ray:

We appreciate that.

Jay Ray:

It is absolutely free y'all to support us in that way.

Jay Ray:

You know what I'm saying?

Jay Ray:

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Jay Ray:

Watch the whole archive of, of, of episodes there.

Jay Ray:

There's plenty of stuff to check out.

Jay Ray:

Visit us on substack.

Jay Ray:

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Jay Ray:

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Jay Ray:

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Jay Ray:

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Jay Ray:

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Jay Ray:

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thing gets to you by Christmas.

Jay Ray:

If you are shopping for, uh, Christmas, uh, make sure it gets there in time.

Jay Ray:

So that's it.

Jay Ray:

We appreciate y'all.

Jay Ray:

We love y'all.

Sir Daniel:

Absolutely.

Sir Daniel:

Well, you heard what the man said.

Sir Daniel:

You have your marching orders.

Sir Daniel:

So what I like to say, after every episode in this life, you have a choice.

Sir Daniel:

You can either pick up the needle or you could let the record play.

Sir Daniel:

I am DJ Sir Daniel,

Jay Ray:

and my name is Jay Ray, y'all

Sir Daniel:

and this has been Queue Points podcast, dropping

Sir Daniel:

the needle on black music history.

Sir Daniel:

We will see you on the next go round.

Sir Daniel:

Peace

Jay Ray:

peace y

Sir Daniel:

pause.

Jay Ray:

and pause.

Jay Ray:

And,

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DJ Sir Daniel

DJ Sir Daniel is a DJ/Selector and part of Atlanta's, all-vinyl crew, Wax Fundamentals. Co-host of the Queue Points podcast, he is an advocate for DJ culture and is passionate about creating atmospheres of inclusivity and jubilation from a Black perspective.

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Jay Ray

Johnnie Ray Kornegay III (Jay Ray) is a podcast consultant and co-host and producer of Queue Points, the Ambie Award-nominated podcast that drops the needle on Black music history. In addition to his duties at Queue Points, he is the Deputy Director of Strategy and Impact for CNP (Counter Narrative Project). A photographer, creative consultant and social commentator, Jay Ray's work is centered around a commitment to telling full and honest stories about communities often ignored.