Episode 5

Where Did the Girl Groups Go?

In this lively episode of Queue Points, hosts Jay Ray and DJ Sir Daniel explore the fascinating rise, legacy, and challenges of girl groups in Black music. Prompted by the near absence of mainstream girl groups today, they unpack the musical magic and drama behind trios like The Supremes, TLC, Destiny’s Child, and more. The hosts also reflect on industry pressures, the power of three, creative sisterhood, and why representation still matters for new generations.

Topics Covered:

  • The evolution and cultural impact of girl groups in Black music
  • Notable groups: The Supremes, TLC, Destiny’s Child, SWV, En Vogue, JJ Fad, Salt-N-Pepa, 702, Klymaxx, and more
  • The “magic of three” and why trios are iconic
  • Drama, personality, and behind-the-scenes industry challenges
  • Roster changes and media fascination with group conflict
  • Comparison of girl groups vs. boy bands/boy groups
  • Industry myths about cost, age, and gender expectations
  • The role of misogyny and societal attitudes toward women in groups
  • Importance of representation and why young audiences need girl groups
  • Listener call-to-action: favorite girl groups and rising independents

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Sir Daniel:

Yeah, I'm doing a Jay Ray by you roll back every

Sir Daniel:

time I'm going to do that.

Sir Daniel:

So if y'all see me out dancing,

Jay Ray:

I'm going to do that.

Sir Daniel:

Mind your business, Jay, Ray's doing his body roll.

Sir Daniel:

That's it mind your business?

Sir Daniel:

What's up everybody.

Sir Daniel:

Welcome to another episode of Queue Points.

Sir Daniel:

I am DJ sir. Daniel.

Jay Ray:

I am Jay Ray and also known by my government as Johnny Ray.

Jay Ray:

Kornegay the third.

Sir Daniel:

Jay Ray, you got some news for the party.

Sir Daniel:

People.

Jay Ray:

Let me tell you, let me tell y'all something.

Jay Ray:

Do you see how excited we are?

Jay Ray:

Because y'all, this is what happened.

Jay Ray:

We just hit 100 likes on Facebook

Sir Daniel:

and

Jay Ray:

we got a sound

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effect and everything.

Sir Daniel:

Sound.

Sir Daniel:

In fact, we have a live studio audience.

Sir Daniel:

What are you talking about?

Jay Ray:

Listen yet.

Jay Ray:

Yes.

Jay Ray:

You can't see them behind this wall,

Sir Daniel:

sir. How does this feel?

Sir Daniel:

It feels awesome.

Sir Daniel:

Um, I'm not surprised because.

Sir Daniel:

We put in the work great production on your side.

Sir Daniel:

Absolutely.

Sir Daniel:

You know, I do my thing when it comes to content, the combination works.

Sir Daniel:

It just, it is what it is.

Sir Daniel:

We want those numbers to keep going up.

Sir Daniel:

So please share this show wherever you go.

Sir Daniel:

Um, cause we're on Instagram and a Q4.

Sir Daniel:

No, we're

Jay Ray:

on IgG and on Twitter.

Jay Ray:

We're at Q's show and you are yeah.

Jay Ray:

And here on Facebook, we are at Q show too, where you just

Jay Ray:

look us up on Queue Points.

Jay Ray:

We hear,

Sir Daniel:

oh, I looked at the screen cause it's right there in front of you.

Sir Daniel:

We, if your wildlife you're following us, you need to go ahead and follow

Sir Daniel:

us on those platforms as well.

Sir Daniel:

Um, so.

Sir Daniel:

It's been a really good, it's been a really good, um, few past

Sir Daniel:

few days since we last talked, um, record store day was awesome.

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Oh, I had an awesome day.

Sir Daniel:

I loved your, I loved your content regarding your record

Sir Daniel:

store day finds the people who've been eating up that content as well.

Sir Daniel:

So.

Sir Daniel:

Hey, we got listen.

Sir Daniel:

We're plugged in, plugged up.

Jay Ray:

Listen though.

Jay Ray:

Can you share with the audience what?

Jay Ray:

Cause you did stuff you was out like doing a thing and had a really good weekend.

Jay Ray:

So talk to us about what you think.

Sir Daniel:

Oh, um, we, so we did the, the, um, wax fundamentals crew.

Sir Daniel:

We went to Lamont's firearms and supplies store in flowery branch here in Georgia.

Sir Daniel:

And we basically do what we do is Western fundamentals.

Sir Daniel:

We could on some dope vinyl sets like we spent.

Sir Daniel:

Vinyl the old school stuff and there's no, there's no sink buttons, nothing.

Sir Daniel:

It's just strictly skills.

Sir Daniel:

And we had a special guest.

Sir Daniel:

We had DJJ C in the building, big DJs.

Sir Daniel:

That's a major deal.

Sir Daniel:

John JC.

Sir Daniel:

Is a huge, um, he's a legend here in these ACL streets and beyond

Sir Daniel:

because he has mixes all over the world playing on the internet.

Sir Daniel:

You can catch him on switch every day for his in effect mode.

Sir Daniel:

So, and, but he came and showed out.

Sir Daniel:

I love his set.

Sir Daniel:

His set in a word was supersonic.

Sir Daniel:

It was supersonic.

Sir Daniel:

That's all I can say.

Sir Daniel:

And speaking of supersonic, I like to give a shout out to the

Sir Daniel:

ladies of JJ fad, Monday, June 14th, mark the 33rd anniversary

Sir Daniel:

of their album release super sun.

Sir Daniel:

The album,

Sir Daniel:

they deserve it.

Sir Daniel:

They deserve it.

Sir Daniel:

Can you believe it's been 33 years of wow.

Sir Daniel:

Of, of west coast.

Sir Daniel:

Um, royalty, like this is like he probably the first and only

Sir Daniel:

major rap group, female rap group.

Sir Daniel:

And I hate using the word female.

Sir Daniel:

So excuse me.

Sir Daniel:

All

Jay Ray:

right.

Sir Daniel:

Um, women rap group that has come out from the west coast, they

Sir Daniel:

broke, they broke all kinds of barriers.

Sir Daniel:

You know, supersonic was the least single.

Sir Daniel:

It went gold and eventually went platinum.

Sir Daniel:

Then they dropped the whole album, which I have to say.

Sir Daniel:

I've sat with this album for 33 years.

Sir Daniel:

This is a dope album.

Sir Daniel:

A lot of people like to say what they want about, about JJ fad.

Sir Daniel:

And they were popping.

Sir Daniel:

They were corny, but this is a very solid album.

Sir Daniel:

Like on the ACE side, you get base, electro-funk pop.

Sir Daniel:

Then on the beach side, you have, um, your street jams, your, your hip hop

Sir Daniel:

party jams and scaping dis records.

Sir Daniel:

Like they were no joke.

Sir Daniel:

They had Dr. Dre behind them.

Sir Daniel:

I mean, this album, literally, if it was not for this album, you

Sir Daniel:

would not have niggas with attitude.

Sir Daniel:

You would not have easy.

Sir Daniel:

You will not have any of that stuff.

Sir Daniel:

Wouldn't have, um, you wouldn't even have the straight outta Compton movie

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if it were not for this album, putting ruthless records on the, on the spot,

Sir Daniel:

putting them on a worldwide, um, map and, and even the album cover.

Sir Daniel:

Like look at all these bright colors, you know, the night, first of all,

Sir Daniel:

I would rock these, um, these Nike volleyball, um, jerseys today.

Sir Daniel:

If you could find these, I'm pretty certain, these costs a pretty penny.

Sir Daniel:

Yes, but first, but album covers, weren't this bright and colorful, you know?

Sir Daniel:

So until you have this influence from M C J B sassy, C and baby D you know, so

Jay Ray:

to JJ,

Sir Daniel:

Shout out to them.

Sir Daniel:

But Jay Ray, I gotta ask you a question.

Sir Daniel:

Yes.

Sir Daniel:

So the song, of course, that put them on the mat with supersonic, right?

Sir Daniel:

So this is the original, um, 12 inch cover for supersonic.

Jay Ray:

Right.

Jay Ray:

And what's funny about this cover is when you compare it to what you just showed

Jay Ray:

us, this is more like what we were using

Sir Daniel:

exactly.

Sir Daniel:

On the east coast.

Sir Daniel:

Yeah, exactly.

Sir Daniel:

Now, but what you didn't know.

Sir Daniel:

Is that there were five members,

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I guess the other girls felt like they should be making more money,

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but

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people in the group

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money's

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not pouring in.

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There's no hit singles yet.

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So they left for money reasons basically.

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Oh, they probably regret to this day.

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Do you ever run into them?

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Like later on in life,

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I'm still friends with them

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really?

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Are they at all bitter over the situation or

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not bitter?

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Um, would this cordial, I mean, it was their decision, you know, you

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know, you can't be mad at something like, oh, I didn't want to be in

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the group in the morning, you know, so we are definitely still cool.

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And they're probably happy because they are writers on supersonic.

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So every time they use our phone for something they get paid.

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So, yeah.

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So I'm sure that they're happy in that aspect.

Sir Daniel:

Listen, five members.

Sir Daniel:

They left and they became a super true.

Jay Ray:

Yeah.

Jay Ray:

Wow.

Jay Ray:

So what's interesting is when you, when you think about, you know, what's coming

Jay Ray:

up for me, like Oak towns, 3, 5, 7 is coming up for me who had four members and

Jay Ray:

then went down to a duo I think a 7 0 2.

Jay Ray:

Yeah, it was, yeah, there was three and then it was

Sir Daniel:

nuts.

Sir Daniel:

7

Jay Ray:

0 2 who was a four and then went down to three.

Jay Ray:

Like, it's interesting.

Jay Ray:

When you think of the, the beginning of so many of these groups and how

Jay Ray:

as they're getting on how the group, these groups of all, so that I.

Sir Daniel:

And so this, that actually led me to, it just sent me on a journey.

Sir Daniel:

Like all these things just kept popping up.

Sir Daniel:

So I finally sat down and watched my recording of

Sir Daniel:

, uh, presents the Encore.

Sir Daniel:

So now the Encore and I was like, I called Jay Ray up.

Sir Daniel:

I was like, Jay Ray, please.

Sir Daniel:

You gotta watch this.

Sir Daniel:

And then we got to talk about.

Sir Daniel:

I got so many feelings about this.

Sir Daniel:

If for those of you who haven't tuned in yet bet presents the Encore.

Sir Daniel:

The premise of this reality show is to invite former members of

Sir Daniel:

girl groups to live in a mansion.

Sir Daniel:

And so formerly supergroup.

Sir Daniel:

To create music together and perform, send music together.

Sir Daniel:

Sounds like a recipe for disaster, doesn't it?

Jay Ray:

It, it sounds and feels like when you watch the first

Jay Ray:

episode, like a recipe for disaster.

Jay Ray:

What I also found interesting is yes, it's like all of these members,

Jay Ray:

first of all, it's nine people total,

Sir Daniel:

which is crazy, which is.

Jay Ray:

And then you have a one solo act, so Nivi is there.

Jay Ray:

And I was like, I don't even know how this happened.

Jay Ray:

So that was an interesting thing.

Sir Daniel:

And the funny thing is, is that Nibia appears to be the most grounded

Jay Ray:

and the

Sir Daniel:

most flexible out of all the participants.

Sir Daniel:

We got Pam from total.

Sir Daniel:

Yes.

Sir Daniel:

Keely from three O w and cheetah girls, Spain.

Sir Daniel:

Oh, and of course, Kentucky fried chicken fame.

Sir Daniel:

Um, odd Rio de I don't think you caught that about the Kentucky fried

Jay Ray:

chicken.

Jay Ray:

I did

Sir Daniel:

you want me to throw a piece of chicken at you?

Sir Daniel:

Aubrey O'Day Dave from Danny became, as you mentioned, 700

Sir Daniel:

to cherish and more, and it's.

Sir Daniel:

You have all these ex all spanning from different decades, all

Sir Daniel:

had various levels of success.

Sir Daniel:

And the majority of the bands are now defunct due to various reasons,

Sir Daniel:

which makes me wonder, are we.

Sir Daniel:

The public are we responsible for the reason why girl groups don't succeed?

Sir Daniel:

I mean, the media managers, producers, the public, why are

Sir Daniel:

our black girl groups surviving?

Jay Ray:

This is such an important topic.

Jay Ray:

So to put this in perspective, when I think about what we do

Jay Ray:

here at Queue Points for me,

Jay Ray:

Girl groups and we're using this term, it's a popular term girl groups.

Jay Ray:

So it's not, I feel like it's one of those terms that we also have

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to analyze at some point, cause these, these are women, right?

Jay Ray:

These, they may start as girls, but then they typically are grown to

Jay Ray:

women as they're in these groups, but they still call them girl groups.

Jay Ray:

Um, and so I think we have to look at that, but that's not

Jay Ray:

what we're talking about here.

Jay Ray:

I think what this girl group.

Jay Ray:

For me typically are some of the most creatively interesting groups.

Jay Ray:

Cause cause women have the ability to have different molds when they show

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up in their music, which sometimes makes the work more compelling.

Jay Ray:

When I tend to find.

Jay Ray:

Guy groups or boy bands tend to be one dimensional.

Jay Ray:

And so I am so glad we're asking this question because we, I would

Jay Ray:

love to have more girl groups.

Sir Daniel:

Yeah.

Sir Daniel:

I mean, when you think about it right now, who do we have?

Sir Daniel:

We got the city girls.

Sir Daniel:

That's it.

Sir Daniel:

I think that's literally

Jay Ray:

that's it.

Jay Ray:

I

Sir Daniel:

can't think of any R and B R and I mean, R and B girl groups that are

Sir Daniel:

like mainstream mainstream at this time.

Sir Daniel:

Nope.

Sir Daniel:

Right off the top of my, and you know, there's I know that there's.

Sir Daniel:

There's a crowd of people that support RMB that say, oh, the

Sir Daniel:

real R and B is still out there.

Sir Daniel:

Oh, okay.

Sir Daniel:

They'd be mad at us.

Sir Daniel:

If we forgot about Chloe and Hailey

Jay Ray:

Haley, a book, Chloe Halle.

Jay Ray:

And here's, what's funny about those two.

Jay Ray:

Like these are both duals, right?

Jay Ray:

So, and they're sisters.

Jay Ray:

So it's like a different thing we're talking about.

Jay Ray:

Um, yeah, we just don't.

Jay Ray:

There's the only there's there.

Jay Ray:

They're the only two that I know of and that's nuts.

Jay Ray:

Oh, there was um, St. Oh, I'm going to think I'm gonna, I'm

Jay Ray:

gonna, their name is escaping me.

Jay Ray:

That was

Sir Daniel:

St. Beauty

Jay Ray:

St. Beauty from Atlanta.

Jay Ray:

I'm from

Sir Daniel:

Atlanta duo, again, another duo, which is fine, which

Sir Daniel:

is, but we're talking about.

Sir Daniel:

You know, the, and we'll talk about this later some more, but there is magic

Sir Daniel:

in the number of three, you know, if you think about the most popular girl

Sir Daniel:

groups of all time, let's take it back.

Sir Daniel:

Let's take it back to the, the girl group that just exploded and changed everything.

Sir Daniel:

Let's talk about the Supreme, the old.

Sir Daniel:

No, wait, let me, let me correct myself.

Sir Daniel:

Are we talking about the Supreme?

Sir Daniel:

Is, are we talking about Diana Ross and discipline?

Sir Daniel:

Cause cause you know, some distinctions were made,

Jay Ray:

distinctions were made and I think that as we dive into

Jay Ray:

this conversation, I think it's when those distinction distinctions

Jay Ray:

start to have to be made by.

Jay Ray:

That we begin to have the, the cracks that begin to show up in these groups.

Jay Ray:

So, yes, we're talking about the Supremes.

Jay Ray:

I it's funny.

Jay Ray:

I don't even say Diana Ross and the Supremes.

Jay Ray:

Like, I definitely will just say the Supremes because, um, It's it's weird to

Jay Ray:

say, but after Diana left that group, yes, the Supremes continued on, but the Supreme

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ones were Diana and Mary and Florence.

Jay Ray:

And then I think Cindy Birdsong.

Jay Ray:

So that's like, yeah.

Jay Ray:

So that's kind of like the, the nucleus of it.

Jay Ray:

Hm.

Jay Ray:

Oh, look at all the stuff that happened.

Jay Ray:

Um, you had, you had the group go from the Supremes to Diana Ross and the Supremes.

Jay Ray:

Oh.

Jay Ray:

And another note, the Supremes as well, started out as a,

Jay Ray:

as a, as a group of folks.

Jay Ray:

When they were the prime meds, there was four of them and

Jay Ray:

they also went down to a trio.

Sir Daniel:

And so, but they were the blueprint for modern music.

Sir Daniel:

They were the blueprint as far as the way of dressing women uniformly.

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Choreography, even if it just meant snapping your fingers in a uniform

Sir Daniel:

way, you know, all of that stuff meant something and then let's even

Sir Daniel:

take it further to the fact they were the one of the first girl group.

Sir Daniel:

Black girl groups to be on television.

Sir Daniel:

If you talk to anybody that would roll up in that time, wherever the, uh,

Sir Daniel:

who was it at Sullivan when the show was on and those three black girls

Sir Daniel:

showed up on the television screen that changed the world for black America.

Sir Daniel:

so they mean a whole lot more beyond the music, right?

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Yes.

Sir Daniel:

But I think, and this is just me thinking out loud.

Sir Daniel:

I think that we're not happy as a society until we tear down and

Sir Daniel:

destroy something that we love.

Sir Daniel:

And let's take that.

Sir Daniel:

We'll take the Supremes for instance.

Sir Daniel:

The Supremes, you know, it's, it's been wildly known that the Supremes

Sir Daniel:

are the basis and loosely base.

Sir Daniel:

Um, the, for the, the stage play dream girls, right?

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Yes.

Sir Daniel:

The production wants six Tony awards.

Sir Daniel:

The movie that came out in 2006, earned Jennifer Hudson.

Sir Daniel:

Story that is etched in the brain of America.

Sir Daniel:

It's about a girl group and we can't get enough of it because there's drama.

Sir Daniel:

Oh my God.

Sir Daniel:

It's like the boiling, the boiling point of drama in the show when

Sir Daniel:

Effie finds out that she's been replaced as the lead singer.

Sir Daniel:

And they brought in another girl.

Sir Daniel:

So that's good.

Sir Daniel:

They can still remain a trio.

Jay Ray:

Yep, man, I, I, I, I hear where you, where you going with this.

Jay Ray:

I, we, I mean, we proved time and time again going, let's go back to the Encore.

Jay Ray:

The reason why the Encore had to be made is because we need, we like seeing

Jay Ray:

this type of drama play out on TV.

Jay Ray:

And, you know, for a fact that behind the scenes, these producers are doing

Jay Ray:

all types of stuff to make sure that the pot gets stirred just the right

Jay Ray:

way, because let me tell you something.

Jay Ray:

What I know about what.

Jay Ray:

What my experience is with people is that when you enter a space

Jay Ray:

that has that many different personalities, there's a way that you

Jay Ray:

show up, you know what I'm saying?

Jay Ray:

And it's not the way that what we saw on TV, the way people show up, you know?

Jay Ray:

So we like drama and we, we, we, yeah, we liked that.

Sir Daniel:

We love it.

Sir Daniel:

Look, they got Pam from total who is now a born again, Christian.

Sir Daniel:

So you have that, then you have Keeley, like I said, from three O w and cheetah

Sir Daniel:

girls who is a, who is for lack of, for lack of a better term, a villain on these,

Sir Daniel:

on these internet streets, because of, you know, the fame, the fable of her

Sir Daniel:

throwing chicken at the Tory Horton, who used to be in a group left after that.

Sir Daniel:

And, you know, she's there to stir the pot herself because she's claiming she's

Sir Daniel:

not, she doesn't want to be in the group.

Sir Daniel:

She wants to be a creative director.

Jay Ray:

She wants to be director.

Jay Ray:

I'm like,

Sir Daniel:

you know what might come our yard

Sir Daniel:

producers, the producers told you to say they

Jay Ray:

literally like, was like, no, you could like, come in and say

Jay Ray:

that you're the creative director,

Sir Daniel:

like, okay.

Sir Daniel:

With a straight face, like I'm a creative director.

Sir Daniel:

And then you have, then you have Aubrey O'Day, who is the only

Sir Daniel:

white woman in this, in this mix.

Sir Daniel:

And she, of course, she's already a strong personality because she went head up with

Sir Daniel:

Diddy email, which is her claim to fame.

Sir Daniel:

And now she's here trying to, you know, she's trying to lay down

Sir Daniel:

some laws too, but it's, you know, back to dream girls real quick.

Sir Daniel:

So by the time dream girls hit the theaters and that was what, 2006, 2016.

Sir Daniel:

So like by that time, Beyonce was at the height of her superpowers.

Sir Daniel:

As a solo artist, she was untouchable.

Sir Daniel:

This was just taking her to another level.

Sir Daniel:

But to this day she cannot escape the, that one moment in

Sir Daniel:

time in the early two thousands.

Sir Daniel:

When you couldn't even turn on MTV CRL, without them talking about

Sir Daniel:

the overnight roster changes that happened with Destiny's child.

Jay Ray:

Absolutely not like it's another example of.

Jay Ray:

So you have, you have these four members, right.

Jay Ray:

To, you know, their first record.

Jay Ray:

Their second record was Audi.

Jay Ray:

And meanwhile, they were ascending when literally when the change

Jay Ray:

happened, this is like what?

Jay Ray:

Single three or four from the record, there's literally a roster change

Jay Ray:

where two of the members are replaced by two completely different people.

Jay Ray:

The cover of the record had four people by the time, what was it saved?

Jay Ray:

My name came out.

Jay Ray:

It was up two new girls that we had never seen before.

Jay Ray:

But once again, You have this situation where it's been reported, you had these

Jay Ray:

two members were talking about Latoya and Latevia who wanted to break free

Jay Ray:

from the Matthew Knowles management.

Jay Ray:

So we have once again, a man in control once again, uh, wants to break free from

Jay Ray:

the management and do something else.

Jay Ray:

And it's like, We go on this thing going to stay the way

Jay Ray:

this thing is going to stay.

Jay Ray:

And we going to figure it out this way.

Jay Ray:

And once again, I'm beyond say is put, so Diana Ross would go to the Springs, right?

Jay Ray:

Diana Ross has put in this position where she has to bear the

Jay Ray:

brunt of Diana Ross in surprise.

Jay Ray:

Barry Gordy made that change.

Jay Ray:

It wasn't Diana Ross Eroll up in the studio is like, we call

Jay Ray:

Diana Ross and the Supremes now.

Jay Ray:

No, like that was a change.

Jay Ray:

And we go to Destiny's child and Beyonce is vilified, but this was

Jay Ray:

literally a business decision that was bigger than she was at that point.

Sir Daniel:

Absolutely.

Sir Daniel:

It was like, Like you said Beyonce was vilified.

Sir Daniel:

Her father was demonized.

Sir Daniel:

Like they were just the devil reincarnated.

Sir Daniel:

Right.

Sir Daniel:

Then there, you know, they were however that same, that.

Sir Daniel:

Catapulted them even even further, like, yes, they be, they became

Sir Daniel:

pop culture icons overnight.

Sir Daniel:

Like they were, um, they were made sketches on, on SNL by one of my

Sir Daniel:

favorite sketches on SNL is the Geminis twin sketch, featuring Maya

Sir Daniel:

Rudolph and, um, and a guest star.

Sir Daniel:

And what I loved about Destiny's child and I loved about the tree.

Sir Daniel:

That's behind me right there.

Sir Daniel:

The trio is that those girls, those girls were able to laugh at themselves

Sir Daniel:

and they actually showed up on that episode and made fun of themselves,

Sir Daniel:

which is, which I think was perfect.

Sir Daniel:

It was perfect.

Sir Daniel:

And it just solidified them as the superstars that they were.

Sir Daniel:

And to this day, People are still hungry for a destiny Shar reunion.

Jay Ray:

Absolutely.

Jay Ray:

If, if, if Beyonce Kelly and Michelle said, we going out on tour, that's a wrap.

Jay Ray:

First of all, them tickets is already sold out.

Jay Ray:

We probably can't get one.

Jay Ray:

Unless y'all Queue Points, y'all gonna help us hook me at sir Daniel up so

Jay Ray:

we can go and see Destiny's child.

Jay Ray:

Can we, can we talk about something as well?

Jay Ray:

Um, just a quick note.

Jay Ray:

So we talked about the surprise.

Jay Ray:

We talked about the Sopranos.

Jay Ray:

We're talking about Destiny's child.

Jay Ray:

I want us to, as we dive into this more, these are groups that were pivotal to

Jay Ray:

pop culture, like important worldwide.

Jay Ray:

These are not, we're not just talking about groups.

Jay Ray:

We are talking about groups that literally change things

Jay Ray:

and the way pop culture moved.

Sir Daniel:

Absolutely.

Sir Daniel:

And I think they, if we're still talking about Destiny's child, they

Sir Daniel:

came right at the moment where there was still physical copies being sold.

Sir Daniel:

So you still had three, you had black girls.

Sir Daniel:

Being put in the forefront of going to these, performing everywhere

Sir Daniel:

at the time I'm wearing, you know, they did something different.

Sir Daniel:

They were wearing, um, Tina Knowles fashions on the red carpet.

Sir Daniel:

When, you know, I'm pretty certain people were forcing them, one of them

Sir Daniel:

to wear designer clothing, but then.

Sir Daniel:

You know, my mom is making is our stylist and she's wearing, you

Sir Daniel:

know, we're wearing these clothing and there were some choices.

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Yes.

Sir Daniel:

There was some choices.

Sir Daniel:

Definitely.

Sir Daniel:

And the girls will say that this day, but it's still changed the game.

Sir Daniel:

Like when you think about, um, the fact that they went from four to

Sir Daniel:

three, It's still that power of three.

Sir Daniel:

It like Michelle, I think is, has been in the group longer than the

Sir Daniel:

original members of the group.

Sir Daniel:

You know what I'm saying?

Sir Daniel:

So in the show, Michelle Williams is Destiny's child.

Sir Daniel:

She is, you can't take that away from her, but I want to bring them

Sir Daniel:

back to that number of three, like a lot of our favorite grow groups.

Sir Daniel:

Like we can't go on without talking about TLC.

Sir Daniel:

Nope.

Sir Daniel:

Three members.

Sir Daniel:

Yup.

Sir Daniel:

Unfortunately we're left.

Sir Daniel:

I died.

Sir Daniel:

It completely changed the group.

Sir Daniel:

They try to make comebacks and it just, it don't hit.

Sir Daniel:

Like they don't hit the same.

Sir Daniel:

You know what I'm saying?

Sir Daniel:

Without Lisa SWV, vanity six, Apollonius

Sir Daniel:

Jane the sequence, then it became like, all of these groups have

Sir Daniel:

phenomenal success as trios.

Sir Daniel:

Okay.

Sir Daniel:

So, you know where I'm going with this.

Jay Ray:

I know exactly where you're going with this.

Sir Daniel:

So my girls, everybody knows I'm a salt and pepper.

Sir Daniel:

Stan salt, pepper.

Sir Daniel:

Yes.

Sir Daniel:

They started out as a duo, but when di so they had, they had

Sir Daniel:

another DJ she was brought on.

Sir Daniel:

And here's your, here's where your point about outside influences can corrupt.

Sir Daniel:

Latoya Hanson was brought in to be the DJ Herbie brought her in.

Sir Daniel:

So the guy without, cause without consulting the girls, especially

Sir Daniel:

Cheryl salt, who was his girlfriend at the time who already.

Sir Daniel:

You know, with sidearm him because he was already a skeezer.

Sir Daniel:

If you don't talk to him about, take it back to 86, he was already, he was

Sir Daniel:

already out this season and, you know, according to the movie had a baby on

Sir Daniel:

her and everything, but anyway, so that didn't work out salt or fish salt pretty

Sir Daniel:

much got her kicked out of the group.

Sir Daniel:

Only reason we know she was in the group is because she's still

Sir Daniel:

on the album cover on the album.

Sir Daniel:

However, but fast forward, they got deed.

Sir Daniel:

Right?

Sir Daniel:

They got Deidre's when, as we know her and honestly, things really kicked

Sir Daniel:

into high gear when they got Deidre.

Sir Daniel:

It just, it just, it hit different as the kids say.

Sir Daniel:

Yeah, it looked different.

Sir Daniel:

It looked good with the three of them with the, is the kente, the spandex.

Sir Daniel:

It was, it's just powerful.

Sir Daniel:

It's a consume another level.

Jay Ray:

Yup.

Jay Ray:

Yup.

Jay Ray:

Well, first of all, there's this idea.

Jay Ray:

Um, of the look, there's this idea of the look and it all, when we go

Jay Ray:

think back to the Supremes, right?

Jay Ray:

Those three women on stage doing this thing insane.

Jay Ray:

And, you know, in sequence, but women who represent different types of

Jay Ray:

black woman, black womanhood, right?

Jay Ray:

They all have a distinct look.

Jay Ray:

They have a distinct role, and everybody has the one that they

Jay Ray:

relate to and spend a reality.

Jay Ray:

Um, the spender spend made that group.

Jay Ray:

So for all intents and purposes, and we've talked about this offline.

Jay Ray:

So I Peppa was a trio kids.

Jay Ray:

Like the pop, the group that we.

Jay Ray:

As salt and Pepa was a trio.

Jay Ray:

Yes.

Jay Ray:

You have salt and you have pepper out there today and they are

Jay Ray:

performing and salt and pepper because they are named salt and pepper.

Jay Ray:

But the group that we know had three people in it,

Sir Daniel:

three Amigos, baby.

Sir Daniel:

It had three girls like even, and I don't know if three is

Sir Daniel:

a magic number for everybody.

Sir Daniel:

Let's take invoke for instance.

Sir Daniel:

Right.

Sir Daniel:

They started off as a quartet, baby.

:

They

Sir Daniel:

were successful and everything, but there was so much

Sir Daniel:

turmoil when it was four of them.

Sir Daniel:

But when.

Sir Daniel:

Uh, certain member left, they became a trio.

Sir Daniel:

And they've ever since

Jay Ray:

ever since, I mean, Rona Bennet is once again.

Jay Ray:

It's funny.

Jay Ray:

So when we're talking about, um, Michelle Williams, Rhoda Bennett is in Vogue.

Jay Ray:

At this point, she's been in the group longer way longer than all of them.

Jay Ray:

Other girls was in the group.

Jay Ray:

Like she is like, so when you look at invoke and I S I wrote this, um,

Jay Ray:

at some point I was like, when you look at invoke, I was like, Rona.

Jay Ray:

Yes, we love the.

Jay Ray:

Quartet.

Jay Ray:

We love them.

Jay Ray:

You absolutely.

Jay Ray:

But right now I'm like, if we look at the group in Vogue envelope

Jay Ray:

has been a trio for like 15 years

Sir Daniel:

and they tried, you know, they tried, um, bringing Don on board

Sir Daniel:

for and Maxine for performances.

Sir Daniel:

That's right.

Sir Daniel:

Maxine almost forgot about Maxine.

Sir Daniel:

They brought, they tried to bring them on for performances,

Sir Daniel:

but for whatever reasons.

Sir Daniel:

Things just don't work out.

:

Yep.

Sir Daniel:

So, but also that brings me to a question I wanted to ask you.

Sir Daniel:

So do you think the groups that organically form, like, you know,

Sir Daniel:

your home girls, you coming over chilling at my house and we, we start

Sir Daniel:

singing or rapping in M in my basement and we perform, become a group.

Sir Daniel:

Do you think that those groups have a better chance than say groups that were.

Sir Daniel:

On reality shows like your pussycat dolls, like your Danity Kane's, you

Sir Daniel:

know, are you that girl, you know, all of those shows that came out in the early,

Sir Daniel:

late nineties, early two thousands,

Jay Ray:

I don't, you know, I don't think I can say that those

Jay Ray:

groups have more of a shot.

Jay Ray:

I think what it really comes down to is.

Jay Ray:

What are the expectations that are set for the groups at the beginning and what,

Jay Ray:

and who are the people that are part of the teams that are kind of helping to,

Jay Ray:

um, do all the stuff behind the scenes?

Jay Ray:

I truly think that plays a role.

Jay Ray:

I think though, I think it comes down to do the folks get along.

Jay Ray:

Do they, do they enjoy each other because let's go back to Destiny's child

Jay Ray:

for a second, that Michelle Kelly and Beyonce get a, like, you could tell

Jay Ray:

they like each other, you literally could tell when they are on stage

Jay Ray:

together, it means so much to them.

Jay Ray:

That's why Beyonce brings, can bring them out.

Jay Ray:

And the crowd loses their minds because it means as much to them

Jay Ray:

that she brings them out on stage.

Jay Ray:

Cause those is her girl.

Sir Daniel:

Those are her sisters like the homecoming, the bait, Charlotte

Sir Daniel:

performance, like peop you know, people lose their minds for that D

Sir Daniel:

C3 medley, Superbowl performance.

Sir Daniel:

They lose their mind for a DC three mentally.

Sir Daniel:

It's just, it's just powerful.

Sir Daniel:

Even a few weeks ago, maybe like a month ago, you know, Kelly had

Sir Daniel:

her, um, just had her most recent child and the girls were there.

Sir Daniel:

Just chilling in the kitchen, no makeup, just hanging out, holding the baby.

Sir Daniel:

The internet.

Sir Daniel:

Last thing is because those are very girls.

Sir Daniel:

Those are the, those are the black girls that they grew up with.

Sir Daniel:

You know, this generation that grew up with Destiny's child,

Sir Daniel:

that's who they grew up with.

Sir Daniel:

And they love to see that.

Sir Daniel:

And like you said, if they said tomorrow, Whereabouts to do this tour and give

Sir Daniel:

you a reunion, probably be sold out with

Jay Ray:

done done.

Jay Ray:

And, and so I think, yeah, to answer your question, I really truly think it comes

Jay Ray:

down to do the, do the folks who are in the group get along, like, have they, is

Jay Ray:

there, have they found a common ground?

Jay Ray:

And I don't think that has anything to do with how they were formed.

Jay Ray:

I think it's a matter of what are those personalities doing, what they need to do.

Jay Ray:

And let me, let me and let me, and, and I'm, uh, I'm gonna add another.

Jay Ray:

We've Catherine.

Jay Ray:

So we're going to talk about male bands, Keith Richards and Mick Jagger.

Jay Ray:

Don't get along.

Jay Ray:

They have gotten along for a really long time, but they can tour.

Jay Ray:

They're not touring now.

Jay Ray:

Cause they're like, they, like, we're definitely not doing that, but there

Jay Ray:

was a point in time where they would go out, but they own different buses.

Jay Ray:

They on different things.

Jay Ray:

They're going to meet up for the rehearsal and then they're going to meet

Jay Ray:

up for the show and that's all you get

Sir Daniel:

and that's it.

Jay Ray:

That's it.

Jay Ray:

So I do think there is a law.

Jay Ray:

There are some folks that we understand that this is a business arrangement.

Jay Ray:

A we can make it happen.

Jay Ray:

But once again, I think it really truly comes down to personalities.

Jay Ray:

It comes down to two motives that's when you get into the business

Jay Ray:

arrangement and it also comes down to what are the teams doing?

Jay Ray:

Are the teams working in unison because if the people behind the scenes are stirring

Jay Ray:

that pot in a way that is pulling, pulling folks apart, it can't work.

Jay Ray:

And I think when I, when I, we talked, when, when I think about, I think misogyny

Jay Ray:

has a lot of influence over what ends up happening to women in groups, because I

Jay Ray:

think it comes down to the way men tend to handle women that becomes the problem.

Sir Daniel:

Absolutely.

Sir Daniel:

And it's funny.

Sir Daniel:

So you mentioned, um, business and I, it made me think of, and roster changes and

Sir Daniel:

it made me think of one of my, one of the best moments on television, because

Sir Daniel:

I love this group was, um, in the early two thousands, I believe it was 2004.

Sir Daniel:

VH1 had a TV show called bands reunited.

:

Yes.

Sir Daniel:

And one of the most famous.

Sir Daniel:

All woman funk bands out there.

Sir Daniel:

Climax attempted to reunite except for one band member show.

Sir Daniel:

Cool.

Sir Daniel:

Isn't

Jay Ray:

no.

Sir Daniel:

Sure.

Sir Daniel:

So here's what happened if you don't know climax meeting in the ladies room?

Sir Daniel:

Um, man, size love, uh, what's the other one.

Sir Daniel:

Phenomenal funk, eighties, big hair.

Sir Daniel:

All women play all their own instruments.

Sir Daniel:

They've been to.

Sir Daniel:

They've been rocking for a very long time.

Sir Daniel:

So to this day there are two versions.

:

Yep.

Sir Daniel:

If you're a promoter and you want climax, you have to

Sir Daniel:

specify which one you want because there are two versions of climax.

Sir Daniel:

There is the Sheryl Cooley brand of climax, and then there's the

Sir Daniel:

Bernadette Cooper, Brando climax.

Sir Daniel:

And that all happened.

Sir Daniel:

You were talking about.

Sir Daniel:

Keeping goals in mind, Cheryl Cooley felt abandoned at the end and felt like,

Sir Daniel:

well, Hey, um, since nobody else wants to be abandoned anymore, I'm going to

Sir Daniel:

purchase the rights to this main climax.

Sir Daniel:

And I'm going to, because I'm a musician and I want to eat, I'm going

Sir Daniel:

to go out and perform this climate.

Sir Daniel:

She never, however, she never considered the other ladies in lies the rub because

Sir Daniel:

they were like, you didn't have any rights to purchase that on your own.

Sir Daniel:

You weren't the creator of this group because it's,

Sir Daniel:

well-known Bernadette Cooper.

Sir Daniel:

Absolutely.

Sir Daniel:

What is the creator of climax?

Sir Daniel:

So it, and in that instance, you think about, well, who is.

Sir Daniel:

Was there anybody telling Cheryl Cooley what to do or where does she get that kind

Sir Daniel:

of gumption to do that to the rest of the group, but it goes back to what you said

Sir Daniel:

about where are we as a team, as human beings in this group and our commonality.

Sir Daniel:

And do we respect each other?

Jay Ray:

That's what I think, ultimately that I think the climax situation

Jay Ray:

is actually a unique one in that.

Jay Ray:

Probably if there were, if I was in that whole situation, I'd be like,

Jay Ray:

Cheryl, you gotta call the other girls.

Jay Ray:

Like you, the first of all, you got to call the other women.

Jay Ray:

When I'm saying girls, I don't mean it in that way.

Jay Ray:

I'm just thinking of girl groups, you got to call the other, you got

Jay Ray:

to call them up and let them know that this is because the moment you

Jay Ray:

copyright this, it changes things.

Jay Ray:

You know what I'm saying?

Jay Ray:

There's ownership involved.

Jay Ray:

And I would advise to make that call.

Jay Ray:

You know what I'm saying?

Jay Ray:

But I'm also not a Shrew.

Jay Ray:

Businessman.

Jay Ray:

Who's like no rabbit all and all of that, but it's funny that, uh, real quick.

Jay Ray:

So over there, Madam X was a group formed by Bernadette Cooper.

Jay Ray:

Um, and so I put that, I put my girl groups all around, so I have JJ fan

Jay Ray:

and all of that, but yeah, Madam X was formed by Bernadette Cooper and

Jay Ray:

had one of my favorite eighties tracks and just, just, uh, that type of girl.

Jay Ray:

But anyway, I. Wished that climax episode was hard because you had all these women

Jay Ray:

and then they brought Cheryl, Cheryl had to come in reluctantly to this experience

Jay Ray:

where you have all the other members who are like, girl, why'd you do this to us.

Sir Daniel:

Yeah.

Sir Daniel:

And it was, it was very emotional.

Jay Ray:

It

Sir Daniel:

was.

Sir Daniel:

You could tell that it was, it was beyond money.

Sir Daniel:

It was, it was all about a trust issue.

Sir Daniel:

It was like, you know, we came up from the mud.

Sir Daniel:

Like we, we would practice for hours together.

Sir Daniel:

We, we came up in the mud as the kids like to say and built this group together.

Sir Daniel:

And the fact that after all of these years together, you can consider us like,

Sir Daniel:

Bernadette couldn't even look at her.

Sir Daniel:

She didn't even want to be in the room with her and the other.

Sir Daniel:

The other ladies were in tears because even though they didn't want her, she,

Sir Daniel:

they didn't want her to perform with them.

Sir Daniel:

They still reached out and hugged her because there's still a family aspect.

Sir Daniel:

There, there was still love there.

Sir Daniel:

If you look at all the girl groups that have, you know, broken up and come

Sir Daniel:

back together, there is still if they weren't formed, if they weren't put on

Sir Daniel:

television, like are making the band.

Sir Daniel:

If they were actual friends at one point.

Sir Daniel:

You will see that it, that love is still there and sometimes

Sir Daniel:

may bring them back together.

Sir Daniel:

Now what you have never seen.

Sir Daniel:

And I'm thinking about this, not think about it.

Sir Daniel:

Well, there were no cameras during the Kentucky fried chicken, um, the KFC

Sir Daniel:

incident, but once you have never seen, if you have never seen a girl group get on a

Sir Daniel:

radio show and brawl, like have a little literal fist to cuffs like drew hill.

Sir Daniel:

And they, and no, but nobody ever really talks about that.

Sir Daniel:

Like they talk about the groups, the girl groups, disbanding, and here you

Sir Daniel:

got drew hill, these big grown Negroes fighting in the studio all the way,

Jay Ray:

all the way

Sir Daniel:

they had just gotten back together that same day, you know,

Jay Ray:

it's it's once again, we come back to the way.

Jay Ray:

So we come back to your original question around how society treats.

Jay Ray:

Um, views and this, so the dudes, so they could fight all day.

Jay Ray:

They could fight, but we are not going to get on media takeout and on

Jay Ray:

TMZ and well it's so, and so's fault that this happened and you gotta, you

Jay Ray:

know, you know why she must have said something or whatever, we don't do that.

Sir Daniel:

Even though we do all know that Cisco is the Beyonce.

Sir Daniel:

I mean, unless

Sir Daniel:

Cisco is the Beyonce of drill

Jay Ray:

and he made the thong song, which is so remember how

Jay Ray:

big that song was as I digress,

Sir Daniel:

huge, very costly, very costly to them.

Sir Daniel:

Didn't make a lot of money, very costly, but catapulted him into

Sir Daniel:

iconic status and bring it up.

Sir Daniel:

Labels.

Sir Daniel:

Bringing that up, that it was costly to make that song right

Sir Daniel:

on song, the video was expensive.

Sir Daniel:

The, the, um, somebody came in and said, oh, this is a sample,

Sir Daniel:

or you're going to pay for that.

Sir Daniel:

So you got to on the backend that cost them money record labels

Sir Daniel:

to this day, still likes to use the excuse that Grove group.

Sir Daniel:

Our our headache because they're too expensive.

Sir Daniel:

Meaning hair, wardrobe, um, makeup.

Sir Daniel:

They're saying that it's, it's not cost-effective because they're expensive,

Sir Daniel:

but if you were back in, back in the days, a lot of these, you know, look at.

Sir Daniel:

Well, those are, those are Haines.

Sir Daniel:

Those are Hanes t-shirts that they put band-aids on.

Sir Daniel:

They scribbled records.

Sir Daniel:

Um, they scribbled markers on them.

Sir Daniel:

Put I paint under their eyes.

Sir Daniel:

You know, they may have passed some cross color pants that might might've

Sir Daniel:

cost them 20 bucks a piece, but do no stylists come up with that?

Sir Daniel:

But then they turned around and maybe

Jay Ray:

the trend.

Jay Ray:

Right?

Jay Ray:

That's what I, that's why I say that some bull, because.

Jay Ray:

If you just watched the Tina Turner documentary, Tina was

Jay Ray:

like, baby, I was doing my hair.

Jay Ray:

I was doing the choreography.

Jay Ray:

I was doing the makeup.

Jay Ray:

I was doing all my own stuff.

Jay Ray:

Diana Ross is talking, Shaka Khan is talking about it.

Jay Ray:

Like all of these women are really good at doing their own makeup

Jay Ray:

because they didn't have no, they didn't have nobody to do that stuff.

Jay Ray:

So this idea that.

Jay Ray:

The women are more expensive thing.

Jay Ray:

I truly, once again, it's a cop-out I see it as I see it as misogyny showing

Jay Ray:

up, because the truth is if we, if we allow these folks to truly do what

Jay Ray:

it is that they do, cause they, they could figure their look out, they could

Jay Ray:

do, you might have somebody guiding, but they can figure this thing out.

Jay Ray:

It ain't cost and you know, it ain't costing you no more than what

Jay Ray:

these dudes have to be costing.

Jay Ray:

You, it ain't costing you.

Sir Daniel:

Well, I don't believe because today everybody has a stylist.

Sir Daniel:

Like, I mean, let's just face it.

Sir Daniel:

Everything is, is highly stylized.

Sir Daniel:

Yep.

Sir Daniel:

So yes, that is a built-in cost for everybody now.

Sir Daniel:

So I don't think that, like you said, it is a cop out, but I also see.

Sir Daniel:

If you notice a lot, once these young ladies turn 25, you know,

Sir Daniel:

that's when people start, you know, looking like, Hmm, how much longer

Sir Daniel:

do we have on the clock for you?

Sir Daniel:

And don't let them have a baby.

Jay Ray:

Oh my God, these, we set, we set these, we set the society.

Jay Ray:

And sets this up to not work.

Jay Ray:

So a DJ, so Daniel, it goes back to your original question.

Jay Ray:

Is it us?

Jay Ray:

And I truly do what I'm keep hearing is that it is all the messed up stuff in

Jay Ray:

society that we do to women impacts all it comes into these groups like it's

Jay Ray:

baked in and there is no way in the world.

Jay Ray:

I will never feel.

Jay Ray:

Um, watching a women perform amazingly on stage.

Jay Ray:

You have, I remember Vivian, Vanessa Williams working through it.

Jay Ray:

I remember Brandy working through it.

Jay Ray:

Uh, so many women I remember working through.

Jay Ray:

So it's not, what are you saying?

Jay Ray:

What are you saying?

Jay Ray:

It doesn't change anything.

Sir Daniel:

And so while one of the best performances.

Sir Daniel:

On, uh, in rap history to me on Showtime at the Apollo is

Sir Daniel:

when a Mony love came out.

Sir Daniel:

Like she was damn near what?

Sir Daniel:

Seven to eight months pregnant.

Sir Daniel:

Huge.

Sir Daniel:

Yup.

Sir Daniel:

And wrapping her ass off, like molding in the middle.

Sir Daniel:

Was she?

Sir Daniel:

And she put it on her belly right here.

Sir Daniel:

I'm pregnant as hell, but I'm out here.

Sir Daniel:

Right.

Sir Daniel:

Because I have to him because I want to,

Jay Ray:

this is what I do.

Jay Ray:

This is my job.

Jay Ray:

Like I'm here, I'm going to do there, they go and do their job

Jay Ray:

just like everybody else do day job.

Jay Ray:

So did we do this stuff?

Jay Ray:

And I don't like, I don't like it.

Jay Ray:

And you know, that came up, um, that came up in the Encore.

Jay Ray:

Through some of the, through, through a couple of the women, the twins

Jay Ray:

that were there talking about age and like there's no, whatever, whatever.

Jay Ray:

And I'm like, baby, what does any of that stuff matter?

Sir Daniel:

But we'll see how they do it to themselves.

Sir Daniel:

They do it to women, do it to each other, do no pun intended.

Sir Daniel:

Cause you're talking about cherish and I just said do it.

Sir Daniel:

But,

Sir Daniel:

but yeah, I caught, I caught that too from the very first episode, because.

Sir Daniel:

The young ladies, the twins, um, Farrah, and I believe in it, I can't remember

Sir Daniel:

the name specific to me, but they w they are currently in the industry.

Sir Daniel:

They have currently written for artists that are out there.

Sir Daniel:

So I guess they feel entitled to make these opinions about what's hot and what's

Sir Daniel:

not there mean, um, criticism of a lot of.

Sir Daniel:

Members of the house is that, oh, I was hoping for more people under 40

Jay Ray:

and, and, and, and I, and once again, it's we have done

Jay Ray:

a thick, a disservice, this is what we are fighting against.

Jay Ray:

And hopefully for folks who are watching Queue Points,

Jay Ray:

listen to what we are saying.

Jay Ray:

There is no reason we are missing out on some tremendous.

Jay Ray:

I know we're missing out on tremendous talent.

Jay Ray:

That could be a. Phenomenal in, in music, as groups, as people who

Jay Ray:

are able to come together and make something happen, because it will make

Jay Ray:

everybody shine in, in more of a way.

Jay Ray:

Um, and I think we're missing out on that.

Jay Ray:

And I think it's, this is all because of, um, I think it's, I think it's misogyny

Jay Ray:

and I think it just seeps into every.

Sir Daniel:

It absolutely does like we're and if we even go beyond just

Sir Daniel:

the girl groups, black music itself, we tend, we tend to want to throw it away.

Sir Daniel:

Like we tend to want to throw anything, anything that's older than, you know,

Sir Daniel:

then a year or two, we've gotten to this point where it's expired,

Sir Daniel:

but there's just so much wealth and richness in the music that came before.

Sir Daniel:

And there's few.

Sir Daniel:

Those are people that have given blood, sweat, and tears to perform for you.

Sir Daniel:

And I really do think that, like you said, this is why we do Queue

Sir Daniel:

Points is because we want to educate.

Sir Daniel:

We want to inform your, of these people say, we want to say their names basically.

Sir Daniel:

And let people know that we do Revere and respect them and appreciate all

Sir Daniel:

the vape contributed to the culture.

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Yes.

Sir Daniel:

So, and before we wrap up, I would like to, um, I would like

Sir Daniel:

to, to congratulate a black woman here in Atlanta, um, and congratulate her.

Sir Daniel:

She's a local legend.

Sir Daniel:

I'm talking about none other than Melissa Alexander also known as Phyllis ELAR.

:

She's so dope is

Sir Daniel:

she's a photographer, videographer, a storyteller,

Sir Daniel:

and she has been taking.

Sir Daniel:

To create some study visuals for the upcoming national museum of African

Sir Daniel:

American music celebration of legends, which actually, um, start streaming today.

Sir Daniel:

Same time.

Sir Daniel:

Um, probably after our show, you can catch it live and we'll put in the chat.

Sir Daniel:

We'll drop a link on how you can catch it, but please make sure you check that.

Sir Daniel:

And check out Phyllis ELAR and her work, you know, support a black woman.

Sir Daniel:

If you need, if you're in the Atlanta area and you need some photography,

Sir Daniel:

you know, please support a black woman and let her, you know, let her ride.

Jay Ray:

Yes, no, you would be making the best choice ever.

Jay Ray:

Um, just, just incredibly, uh, brilliant and creative and congratulations.

Jay Ray:

I saw that, um, this, I think it was this week and I was just like, yeah.

Jay Ray:

Absolutely

Sir Daniel:

makes total sense.

Sir Daniel:

And, um, yeah.

Sir Daniel:

Keep your eye on that.

Sir Daniel:

There may be some surprises in there that you, there

Jay Ray:

might

Sir Daniel:

be some

Jay Ray:

surprises.

Sir Daniel:

There might be some surprises that you see in the, um, individuals

Sir Daniel:

that she's come up with, but Jay Ray, you got anything else before we wrap up?

Jay Ray:

You know, I think, um, what.

Jay Ray:

The only thing I want to leave everybody with is, um, one, I have a question for

Jay Ray:

the folks who are watching, what are some, who are some of your favorite girl groups?

Jay Ray:

And are there any groups on the independent scene that are kind

Jay Ray:

of doing things regionally?

Jay Ray:

Because we all know we live in cities and you know, there's groups that are local.

Jay Ray:

So are there any folks that you know of?

Jay Ray:

Um, because we definitely want to check them out and see

Jay Ray:

what's going on because we.

Jay Ray:

Uh, girls, little girls and little boys need to see girl groups.

Jay Ray:

I truly believe it's really, really important.

Jay Ray:

Like they need to be able to see them on stage little girls.

Jay Ray:

It folks, they need to be able to see all of this brilliance and diversity.

Jay Ray:

And I do think that it is missing.

Jay Ray:

I was listening to the radio this past week and, um, Uh, Jade song came, so it

Jay Ray:

was don't walk away and we was jamming.

Jay Ray:

And when the DJ came back, he was like, oh my God, it was so great to hear Jay,

Jay Ray:

because we don't have girl groups anymore.

Jay Ray:

And I'm like, that's, don't make sense.

Sir Daniel:

Representation matters.

Sir Daniel:

And that presentation matters.

Sir Daniel:

And on that note, remember kids in this life, you can always pick up the new.

Sir Daniel:

Or you could let the music play.

Sir Daniel:

The choice is yours.

Sir Daniel:

Thank you for joining us.

Sir Daniel:

Our Queue Points

Jay Ray:

pays everybody.

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DJ Sir Daniel

DJ Sir Daniel is a DJ/Selector and part of Atlanta's, all-vinyl crew, Wax Fundamentals. Co-host of the Queue Points podcast, he is an advocate for DJ culture and is passionate about creating atmospheres of inclusivity and jubilation from a Black perspective.

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Jay Ray

Johnnie Ray Kornegay III (Jay Ray) is a podcast consultant and co-host and producer of Queue Points, the Ambie Award-nominated podcast that drops the needle on Black music history. In addition to his duties at Queue Points, he is the Deputy Director of Strategy and Impact for CNP (Counter Narrative Project). A photographer, creative consultant and social commentator, Jay Ray's work is centered around a commitment to telling full and honest stories about communities often ignored.