Verzuz Recap: A Night of Real Hip Hop with Big Daddy Kane & KRS-One

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DJ Sir Daniel: Hello, hello, hello and welcome back to

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another episode of Queue Points.

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I am DJ Sir Daniel.

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And I am Johnnie Ray Kornegay III, mostly known by Jay Ray on this show.

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DJ Sir Daniel: That's right.

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And welcome back to another episode of Queue Points, your weekly safe

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space for meaningful chatter regarding Black music and the Black artists

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that we absolutely love around here.

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Jay Ray, how are you doing this week, man?

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Brilliant.

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Um, we got good stuff happening.

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By the time y'all see this show, um, uh, over on CMP we got an interview with

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Kandi Burruss that it … and Victor Jackson that's out, and it's super

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dope, and it's, uh, LGBTQ Spirit Day.

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And, uh, they're cele- they're, they're helping us honor it, so it's really dope.

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It's been a good week.

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DJ Sir Daniel: That's what's up.

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Shout out to Kandi and to Victor.

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Yeah.

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Victor is doing the things.

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I see him all over- Vic-

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Victor is killing it right now.

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DJ Sir Daniel: All over the place.

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And, you know, to know that he and Kandi work hand-in-hand a lot and have

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been friends for so long is really a testament to their friendship and,

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you know, his professionalism, so.

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Yeah.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Sh- shout out to you good folks.

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Well, let's get into- oh, so, um, how was your weekend?

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So my weekend was good.

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It was super busy.

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I had a bunch of stuff to do.

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But now I know that you had a gig.

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So tell us about this weekend's extravaganza, Sir Daniel.

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DJ Sir Daniel: So it was the, the block party.

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There was a, there's an apartment, uh, uh, community here in Atlanta called

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The Skylark, shout out to the people at The Skylark, that, um, have a block

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party to, for, for their community to meet with local vendors, uh, especially

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women who are vendors, um, uh, business owners, to come out and support them and

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to get to know your neighbors, and just a fun activity on a Saturday afternoon.

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Yes.

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DJ Sir Daniel: And so they invited, uh, members of the vi- um, the

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Wax Fundamentals family, which include Peppermint Gaddy and myself.

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So I got, we got to go out there and we got to spin vinyl.

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Mm-hmm.

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But I'll tell you this, we had a, we had a special guest DJ.

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Who was the guest DJ?

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DJ Sir Daniel: The guest DJ was Mother Nature.

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Because, because when I tell y'all this past Saturday may have been the windiest

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Saturday that Atlanta has had, um, since fall has begun in the past year.

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I mean, it was crazy.

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It was so bananas.

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It got so bad, and I, I have a clip here.

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It got so bad that this is just one of the times the wind was blowing, it

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was so fierce that even it blew the record off the turntable and off the

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needle, like in mid playing of a song.

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Like, there was no match for this wind.

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And we had to like, we had to chase down our slip covers several

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times- … because they just, they were just flung off the, um,

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turntables while we weren't using them.

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It was, it was adventurous.

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I, it was a lot of cardio.

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I didn't know I was gonna have that much cardio that day running after everything

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in the street, but I had a great time.

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The set was bar none.

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The set was dope, even though Mother Nature blew my records off a couple times.

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Um, there is some audio that I recorded, audio and video, and I'm chopping it, it

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up into pieces 'cause it's kinda long.

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But, uh, yeah, it was, it was a great experience.

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I love spinning vinyl.

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Um, I love the freedom of creating sets that can go from, that can weave

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seamlessly in and out of genres.

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Mm-hmm.

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And people are just enjoying themselves.

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Um, and yeah, they just enjoy themselves.

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So shout out to, to Peppermint Gaddy- Yes … my Wax Fundamentals family.

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All the, I, my community is so dope.

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My community of friends came out-

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Nice

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… DJ Sir Daniel: to support.

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They, you know, they braved that, that windy weather and stood there and,

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you know, bopped along to the music.

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Uh, shout out to JB's Records, he was out there- Nice … selling records.

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It was a, it was like my folks.

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Yes.

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All my peoples were there.

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And so it was a great, great time.

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And oh, and shout out to my friend, um, uh, she, I think she's listening,

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all the way in Seattle- Angel Tee.

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Hey, Angel.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Angel, Angel and I, let me give y'all a little history.

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Angel and I met working at Sears credit collections and-

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Whoa.

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That's giving Salt-N-Pepa, Herbie Love Bug, Kid 'n Play tease.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Listen, it really is.

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It, we met and we were still, she was, she came to co- to

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go to school here at Spelman.

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And I was at, I believe at, um, DeKalb College or somewhere.

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And we all met, along with some other friends, we all met working

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at Sears Credit in the call center in their collections department.

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And she and I became fast friends.

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We just became like the… I, how, how would you describe this?

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We were Tweedledee and Tweedledum.

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I like it.

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I mean, w- just two chuckleheads.

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Every time you turn around we were laughing at something.

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We were l- we were laughing and giggling at something, and it was

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just so… I had not seen her, I know, in at least 20 years.

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Wow.

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Because she moved back home.

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Mm-hmm.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Um, so shout out to you, Angel, to your,

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to your husband, your family.

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It was great seeing you this past weekend.

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I had an amazing time.

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And absolutely I'm coming back to Seattle and we gotta hang out.

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I love

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DJ Sir Daniel: that.

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So that w- that was my weekend.

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And then the bow, the real bow on my weekend was Sunday night for the

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Big Daddy Kane and KRS-One versus.

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Wow Wow indeed.

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This one, I, I think it- people have been saying this and it

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sounds pejorative, but it's true.

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That was for real hip hop

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It was for real.

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It was for real hip hop.

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Um, I have so many thoughts about this Verzuz.

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Um, but shout out to, and I'm so glad they continued to give love to,

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um, Swizz Beatz, um, for creating a platform that could do this.

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Mm-hmm.

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And, um, I also wanna just give love to Kid Capri and to DJ Scratch for

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really… It was all hip hop won Sunday.

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And I know we've said that a lot about Verzuz, but so many of the elements.

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You had three, at least three, no, you had, like, four of

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the elements really present.

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Mm-hmm.

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Graffiti wa- I mean, yeah, I guess you could consider the

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graphics possibly graffiti, maybe.

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Mm. Um, but you definitely had some beatboxing that was showing up.

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You definitely had deejaying, you definitely had b-boying,

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and you definitely had MCing.

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So wow.

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The

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DJ Sir Daniel: elements were represented.

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The elements

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DJ Sir Daniel: were

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represented.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Absolutely.

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Absolutely.

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It, um, yes, to your point, totally represented.

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We're talking about…

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Okay, so in full disclosure- Mm-hmm … because I know y'all

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like to find tweets and stuff.

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Mm-hmm.

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DJ Sir Daniel: When it was originally announced, and we could pr- we

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could bring it up too, my tweet.

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Mm-hmm.

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When it was originally announced that it was KRS-One versus Big Daddy Kane, I had

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some reservations about the matchup- Yeah

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sonically.

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Mm-hmm.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Like, because when I think about, uh, KRS-One- Mm-hmm … and

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Boogie Down Productions, I think about strict- like strictly a lot of boom bap.

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Boom bap, absolutely.

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A lot of, um, conscious- Mm-hmm … records that they were conscious,

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but they were dope- Right, right, right … so they were ringing off in

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the clubs and ringing off on the radio.

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Right.

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And a lot of them became street anthems.

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So yes, they're d- they're definitely hip hop anthems.

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Yes.

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DJ Sir Daniel: The, the, the deviation for me came with Big Daddy Kane-

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Mm-hmm … who also has his share of boom bap- Yes … has his share of,

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you know, street records- Yep … where he's real- he's, he's talking greasy.

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Mm-hmm.

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You know, and being, you know, the pimp.

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Mm-hmm.

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DJ Sir Daniel: But then there was this, they kinda, they're going on the same

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road, but then they kinda split off.

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They do.

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Because Big Daddy Kane has a lot of records for the ladies.

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A lot of records for the ladies, and he leans into that.

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DJ Sir Daniel: And he leans into that, 'cause o- not for nothing,

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Big Daddy Kane is a sex symbol.

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Absolutely.

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DJ Sir Daniel: There's like a ha- there's like a handful of hip hop sex symbols.

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Mm-hmm.

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And Big Daddy Kane is definitely on the top list of those sex sy-

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those sex symbols in hip hop.

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Yep.

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DJ Sir Daniel: So that's where I was like, "Hmm, is this gonna work?" Yeah.

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You know, when it's… Like, when KRS-One is, might start singing

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The P Is Still Free, but the girls-

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'cause the girls are not ready.

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Mm-hmm.

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And then over here we got Big Daddy Kane doing I Get The Job Done.

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Right.

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So I was like, "Is this gonna, you know, is it gonna work?" But they made it work.

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They did.

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They made it work, and I think a lot of that was due to the e- an element

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of hip hop that is missing nowadays, is that off-the-dome spitting.

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Absolutely.

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DJ Sir Daniel: And KRS-One, bar none, kids, listen up.

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KRS-One is abso- is known, is notorious for going off the head and really

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taking it to people in the crowd.

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Mm-hmm.

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And making, emceeing and making it a part of a interactive experience.

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Yes.

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DJ Sir Daniel: That was part, that was part of hip hop back in the

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day, was making it interactive.

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Shocking people with rhyming about what they had on-

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Yes

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… DJ Sir Daniel: from the stage.

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Because they were like, "Oh, shoot, this not, this is not a song. This is something

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made up right there on the spot."

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Right.

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DJ Sir Daniel: So I think that element of surprise-

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Mm-hmm

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… DJ Sir Daniel: definitely added to the show.

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Yeah.

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For me, um, l- like I said, I enjoyed, um…

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I wasn't sure either.

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Like, I was definitely like, "Eh, I don't know." Here's what I forgot.

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I forgot the way these mens' music made me feel at a particular time in my life.

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Yeah.

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Because we've, hip hop has, hip hop has evolved and changed so much over

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the years that sometimes you forget the feeling that people gave you.

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And so when KRS-One opened his mouth from that stage, I was just like,

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"Oh, yeah, I remember." So for years, KRS-One was like my favorite MC.

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Here's what was so dope- Mm … about this versus Sir Daniel.

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You had-

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At least three of my favorite MCs that showed up on stage in this Verzuz.

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So you had KRS-One, you had Buckshot Shorty, and you had Masta Ace.

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I, my 11-year-old self passed out when Masta Ace and Craig G

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came on and did The Symphony.

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You c- I was standing in this room.

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I was standing up.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Yeah.

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Like, I was like this, this.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Yeah, yeah.

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There was a moment where I was just like, "Wait a minute." It, I, I- 'cause it f-

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for a minute I kinda forgot about that.

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I was like, and mid-show I was like, "Wait a minute.

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Is Kane gonna bring out Masta Ace and Craig G?

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Are they gonna do The Symphony?

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Are we gonna see Kool G Rap?" I did.

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Now, for you- I was hoping to see Kool

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G Rap.

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He wasn't there.

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DJ Sir Daniel: I was- He was not there.

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That was the, that was a, a small disappointment was that-

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Yeah … we did not see Kool G Rap.

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Yeah.

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But yeah, I had the same, I had those same moments, uh, those epiphanies

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when I was like, "Oh, shoot.

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Is he gonna bring out…" When KRS-One brought out, when KRS-One started doing

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Black Cop, I'm not gonna tell you- Yeah.

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I'm not gonna tell you the amount of, of boggling I was doing in

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here when Black Cop came on.

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And then he flipped it and brought out Mad Lion, which- Did

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you take it… Dude, bruh.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Bruh.

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Bruh.

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I was just like, "Oh, no.

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This is everything I love happening right now."

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DJ Sir Daniel: Listen, I had on a Karl Kani vest- … and some, some scuffy

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Tims and some extra long shorts on.

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You couldn't tell me I wasn't, you know, I wasn't Black Copping and,

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and Shoot to Kill all over the place with my two gunshot fingers.

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Like, and you're absolutely right, and this is why we do this show.

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We come from the perspective of talking about the emotional

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connections that we have to these artists- Yeah … and to the music.

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And indeed, I was transported back in the day every, whenever

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they brought, dropped a record.

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It was just, it was amazing.

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I'll tell you one thing that really stood out to me, um, during the Verzuz was

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when they would pan into the audience.

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Mm-hmm.

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DJ Sir Daniel: And some of your faves are standing in the

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audience look- uh, being fans.

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Yeah.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Fans number one.

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Mm-hmm.

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They know, they're like, "I, I'm not a, I'm not, I'm not Jadakiss tonight.

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I'm not Fat Joe tonight.

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I'm not Busta Rhymes.

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I'm a fan.

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I'm standing here flat-footed looking up at the stage reliving those moments

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of Union Square and Latin Quarters watching these men rip the stage."

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And that was so dope to me.

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You could see Swizz Beatz was like a kid in a candy store.

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He was just like, he was geeked out- He was

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… Jay Ray: watching his

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DJ Sir Daniel: favorites.

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He was.

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Like, and, and, and so if I were to pick my like favorite moments, right?

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So you have these men… So there was a moment towards the end of the verses

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where Scratch, who's amazing by the way.

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Mm-hmm.

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Just shout out to DJ Scratch.

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Yeah.

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He was doing his DJ bit, but this particular bit was the suck a DJ bit.

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Mm-hmm.

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And Big Daddy Kane stopped him- Okay … and said, "Don't do that."

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'Cause he was doing a suck a DJ bit, and he scratched in Kid Capri.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And Kane, that moment of Black men kind of taking care of one another, like I felt

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like it was something like, "Eh, that's not what I want on this stage tonight.

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Don't do that."

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DJ Sir Daniel: Y- yeah.

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So it was that moment- No, no … that I, that I loved is I felt

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like they were doing that a lot where they would call, you know, Kr- uh,

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KRS-One and Big Daddy Kane, like they would come together on the stage, and

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they would take a moment- Mm-hmm … and they would do a thing, and they would

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love on the people in the audience.

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So that was one thing.

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The s- second, um, there was, uh, the other thing that I really, really

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loved about this, of course, the, the symphony moment was amazing.

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That was like, "Yes, give me, give me more of that, please."

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But, um, just the pureness of it, like these men are over 50.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Yes, indeed.

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Yes, indeed.

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And-

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DJ Sir Daniel: And never missed a beat.

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No.

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And were in- First of all- … their moment

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DJ Sir Daniel: In amazing shape

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Yes

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DJ Sir Daniel: With the best be- breath control than any of your

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current favorites right now.

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Let's just say it.

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Big Daddy Kane got up there and was eating records over 120 beats per minute and

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never missed a beat, never missed a rhyme.

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He never ran out of breath.

Jay Ray: 00:17:03

He even got off the stage and, and stood in the audience, all of that.

Jay Ray: 00:17:03

KRS-One, come on.

Jay Ray: 00:17:03

KRS-One

Jay Ray: 00:17:17

is the same exact way.

Jay Ray: 00:17:19

You can never skip a beat.

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He did- I mean, there was some, there was some records where I

Jay Ray: 00:17:24

think KRS was like, he was really there for like the show show.

Jay Ray: 00:17:29

Yes.

Jay Ray: 00:17:29

DJ Sir Daniel: Because he was, he would do, he would kind of rap the, the lyrics

Jay Ray: 00:17:33

to records- Uh-huh … but he would, he would like stop the beat and then he

Jay Ray: 00:17:37

would go into something off the head.

Jay Ray: 00:17:39

Yes.

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Because he was really about, "Yo, I want y'all to know-

Jay Ray: 00:17:42

Yeah

Jay Ray: 00:17:43

… DJ Sir Daniel: what this is really about."

Jay Ray: 00:17:45

Yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:17:45

DJ Sir Daniel: And I abso- to your point, I absolutely love the moments

Jay Ray: 00:17:48

of them loving on each other.

Jay Ray: 00:17:50

Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: 00:17:50

There was that one weird moment where you didn't know where Buckshot

Jay Ray: 00:17:54

Shorty from Black Moon, because-

Jay Ray: 00:17:56

Yeah, I

Jay Ray: 00:17:57

DJ Sir Daniel: didn't know where he was going

Jay Ray: 00:17:57

when you didn't know where he was going.

Jay Ray: 00:17:58

'Cause when he ran after Big Daddy Kane, it was like, what, what you doing?

Jay Ray: 00:18:01

Right.

Jay Ray: 00:18:02

What, what's, what's going on here?

Jay Ray: 00:18:03

Yeah.

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And Kane, and Kane being the OG that he was, was like, stood

Jay Ray: 00:18:07

there flat-footed was like- Like,

Jay Ray: 00:18:08

yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:18:09

It felt like I was like- Yeah … oh, this is like a battle stance.

Jay Ray: 00:18:12

Like, let me just see what this is gonna be.

Jay Ray: 00:18:15

It's hip-hop.

Jay Ray: 00:18:17

DJ Sir Daniel: Right.

Jay Ray: 00:18:18

But I, it definitely was not scripted because-

Jay Ray: 00:18:20

Yeah … everybody was kinda like-

Jay Ray: 00:18:22

I don't know

Jay Ray: 00:18:22

DJ Sir Daniel: where this is

Jay Ray: 00:18:22

going … what?

Jay Ray: 00:18:23

DJ Sir Daniel: Right.

Jay Ray: 00:18:24

And the same, and the same thing with Das EFX.

Jay Ray: 00:18:27

Like, I think that somebody to, to Ka- to KRS-One's point, Das EFX

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was, like, super happy to be there.

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They

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were.

Jay Ray: 00:18:35

DJ Sir Daniel: Right.

Jay Ray: 00:18:35

Can we, can we- Who are you?

Jay Ray: 00:18:36

Can we shout them out?

Jay Ray: 00:18:37

Can we shout out that we got to see Nice & Smooth, we got to see Das EFX.

Jay Ray: 00:18:41

Das EFX.

Jay Ray: 00:18:42

We got to see Hakeem from Channel Live, who I haven't seen in, like, forever.

Jay Ray: 00:18:47

DJ Sir Daniel: We got to see half of Scoob and Scrap.

Jay Ray: 00:18:49

We got to see half of Scoob and Scrap.

Jay Ray: 00:18:52

DJ Sir Daniel: See, I think y'all miss- I think- I don't think people got…

Jay Ray: 00:18:56

Well, people in our age, age group understood the

Jay Ray: 00:18:58

whole Scoob and Scrap thing.

Jay Ray: 00:19:00

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:19:00

And what Kane, what Kane was trying.

Jay Ray: 00:19:02

It didn't… It would've been better if Scoob was there- Yeah … to

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complete, complete the threesome.

Jay Ray: 00:19:08

Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: 00:19:08

So they could've done the pyramid thing- Yes … all of the dance moves.

Jay Ray: 00:19:11

And Kane could've did

Jay Ray: 00:19:11

the jump and the b- and the

Jay Ray: 00:19:12

DJ Sir Daniel: fall

Jay Ray: 00:19:12

back.

Jay Ray: 00:19:13

Yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:19:14

DJ Sir Daniel: All of that stuff.

Jay Ray: 00:19:15

All of that stuff is just absolutely part of what made these acts amazing.

Jay Ray: 00:19:20

We saw Mad Lion.

Jay Ray: 00:19:22

Um, rest in peace to Miss Melody- Yeah … you know, who was the matriarch

Jay Ray: 00:19:27

of the Boogie Down Productions team.

Jay Ray: 00:19:29

Yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:19:30

Rest in peace, Scott La Rock.

Jay Ray: 00:19:31

Rest in peace- Who was- And rest in peace

Jay Ray: 00:19:33

Biz Markie, man.

Jay Ray: 00:19:34

DJ Sir Daniel: Biz Markie.

Jay Ray: 00:19:35

You know, e- each team, each crew had, has lost members over the

Jay Ray: 00:19:41

years, so the… And, and again, and, uh, MC Shan was not present.

Jay Ray: 00:19:46

Oh, yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:19:47

However- Mm-hmm … however, this is another point that I wanted to make.

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This is why this versus was important.

Jay Ray: 00:19:53

Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: 00:19:54

DJ Sir Daniel: It was important to have it because of the history of Boogie

Jay Ray: 00:19:57

Down Productions and the Juice Crew.

Jay Ray: 00:19:59

Yes.

Jay Ray: 00:20:01

DJ Sir Daniel: Bo- Big Daddy Kane, not for nothing, is the, is the

Jay Ray: 00:20:05

conduit- Mm-hmm … of peace between Boogie Down Productions and- And

Jay Ray: 00:20:09

the Juice Crew … the Juice Crew.

Jay Ray: 00:20:09

Yes.

Jay Ray: 00:20:10

DJ Sir Daniel: The Juice Crew is infa- and Boogie Down Productions

Jay Ray: 00:20:13

had a infamous- Infamous battle … battle back in the day.

Jay Ray: 00:20:15

Yep.

Jay Ray: 00:20:16

Between KRS-One and MC Shan.

Jay Ray: 00:20:18

Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: 00:20:19

DJ Sir Daniel: Then it kind of spilled on over onto members of the rest of the crew,

Jay Ray: 00:20:22

which we'll talk about in a little bit.

Jay Ray: 00:20:23

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:20:24

So before we get to that, so there's a- another moment- that I didn't

Jay Ray: 00:20:30

mention that's really important.

Jay Ray: 00:20:31

There was HIV awareness in this Verzus too.

Jay Ray: 00:20:36

So Karas One- Yeah … did Jimmy, which is one of the earliest- Yes … HIV

Jay Ray: 00:20:43

awareness records in hip-hop.

Jay Ray: 00:20:45

It was on, uh, By All Means Necessary.

Jay Ray: 00:20:49

Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: 00:20:50

And he dropped Jimmy, and the crowd was rhyming it.

Jay Ray: 00:20:55

So people, rappers have been talking about HIV since the very beginning.

Jay Ray: 00:21:04

This brother on that Verzus stage dropped his 1988 HIV awareness

Jay Ray: 00:21:11

record, and the crowd was rapping it.

Jay Ray: 00:21:14

' DJ Sir Daniel: Cause remember you're never too old.

Jay Ray: 00:21:17

Yes.

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Jimmy

Jay Ray: 00:21:18

DJ Sir Daniel: is raring to go.

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So listen- And it, and it

Jay Ray: 00:21:22

DJ Sir Daniel: snaps.

Jay Ray: 00:21:22

Yeah, like there is, there is… It's funny, 'cause I listen to

Jay Ray: 00:21:26

Jimmy now, and I'm like, "Okay, like the language is a little crazy," but I'm

Jay Ray: 00:21:31

gonna hold that it was written in 1988.

Jay Ray: 00:21:36

You know what I'm saying?

Jay Ray: 00:21:37

Yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:21:37

That song in 2021 would sound different, but the fact that it exists and the

Jay Ray: 00:21:44

fact that he did it from that stage in front of Black people, a crowd

Jay Ray: 00:21:49

of Black folks today, is almost like the antithesis of what DaBaby did

Jay Ray: 00:21:55

this past summer that I need to hold.

Jay Ray: 00:21:57

'Cause I wrote about this in that piece, um, and I'll drop the link

Jay Ray: 00:22:01

too in the chat so when we do th- so when folks watch this, they'll do it.

Jay Ray: 00:22:04

But that was another special moment that, um, I wanted to mention from the Verzus.

Jay Ray: 00:22:08

Shout out.

Jay Ray: 00:22:08

It was just a great time.

Jay Ray: 00:22:10

I enjoyed this Verzus.

Jay Ray: 00:22:11

DJ Sir Daniel: It was.

Jay Ray: 00:22:11

They definitely could've, he could've d- did he… Wait, I think, did

Jay Ray: 00:22:15

I miss him doing, um, Super Ho?

Jay Ray: 00:22:18

Because Super Ho, for all intents and purposes, was the precursor to, to Jimmy.

Jay Ray: 00:22:24

Yeah, he did, um,

Jay Ray: 00:22:25

DJ Sir Daniel: yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:22:25

And it was kind of, you know- Mm-hmm … it, it, it talked

Jay Ray: 00:22:27

about condom awareness and- Mm-hmm … safer sex practices, but yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:22:32

But see, yes, you're absolutely right.

Jay Ray: 00:22:34

Boogie Down Productions has always been conscious-

Jay Ray: 00:22:37

Mm-hmm

Jay Ray: 00:22:37

… DJ Sir Daniel: um, regarding everything.

Jay Ray: 00:22:40

Um, kind of going back to the moment that we talked about how important this

Jay Ray: 00:22:44

was, um, for Boogie Down Productions and- KRS, I mean, and Big Daddy Kane

Jay Ray: 00:22:52

to have this versus and to show unity.

Jay Ray: 00:22:55

And because Kane kind of alluded in one of his freestyle raps, he was

Jay Ray: 00:23:01

like, "Look, you better be glad I stayed out of you and Ka- and MC

Jay Ray: 00:23:04

Shan-" "… and Shan's shit." Right?

Jay Ray: 00:23:07

Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: 00:23:07

Which alluded to the fact, hey, listen, if I had become a part of that whole diss

Jay Ray: 00:23:12

war- … it would've been a real problem.

Jay Ray: 00:23:14

Right.

Jay Ray: 00:23:14

DJ Sir Daniel: Which is just, which is some hip hop, you

Jay Ray: 00:23:16

know, and some hip hop stuff.

Jay Ray: 00:23:17

Yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:23:17

Talking greasy-

Jay Ray: 00:23:18

Mm-hmm

Jay Ray: 00:23:19

… DJ Sir Daniel: on the side.

Jay Ray: 00:23:20

But it, it got really serious.

Jay Ray: 00:23:22

Mm-hmm, it did.

Jay Ray: 00:23:22

It was very serious between Shan and KRS-One.

Jay Ray: 00:23:26

Yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:23:26

DJ Sir Daniel: And which leads me to this moment.

Jay Ray: 00:23:31

When I heard, dun-dun, dun-dun, dun-dun, dun-dun.

Jay Ray: 00:23:37

I'm not gonna lie, that record always gives me goosebumps.

Jay Ray: 00:23:43

Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: 00:23:43

DJ Sir Daniel: Whenever I hear that, that piano chord.

Jay Ray: 00:23:45

Yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:23:46

DJ Sir Daniel: That dun-dun, dun-dun, dun-dun, dun-dun.

Jay Ray: 00:23:47

Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: 00:23:48

I, I immediately get a shiver up my spine.

Jay Ray: 00:23:50

Yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:23:51

DJ Sir Daniel: Because that, that's a cold, it's a simple beat-

Jay Ray: 00:23:54

Yeah

Jay Ray: 00:23:55

… DJ Sir Daniel: but that's a cold ass record.

Jay Ray: 00:23:57

Agreed.

Jay Ray: 00:23:57

It is a cold record.

Jay Ray: 00:23:59

It's also one of, it's also the probably one of the heaviest

Jay Ray: 00:24:03

diss records in hip hop history.

Jay Ray: 00:24:05

Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: 00:24:06

So yeah, we'll have to make sure we drop the link, too,

Jay Ray: 00:24:08

for that in the chat as well.

Jay Ray: 00:24:10

So yeah,

Jay Ray: 00:24:10

DJ Sir Daniel: yeah, yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:24:10

The Bridge Is Over was b- KRS-One and Boogie Down Productions- Man … kind

Jay Ray: 00:24:16

of like piece de resistance to end the whole, um, Bridge Wars.

Jay Ray: 00:24:21

Yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:24:21

They called it the Bridge Wars between- Mm-hmm … Boogie Down Productions and

Jay Ray: 00:24:25

Queensbridge- Yeah … and MC Shan.

Jay Ray: 00:24:27

So to s- I say all of that to s- to ask this.

Jay Ray: 00:24:32

Audience members, you tell me.

Jay Ray: 00:24:34

Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: 00:24:36

DJ Sir Daniel: It's been 30-plus years.

Jay Ray: 00:24:40

Could KRS-One have amended the rhyme, "Roxanne Shante is only good for steady"-

Jay Ray: 00:24:50

Mm

Jay Ray: 00:24:51

… DJ Sir Daniel: bleeping?

Jay Ray: 00:24:52

Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: 00:24:53

DJ Sir Daniel: Could he have done that?

Jay Ray: 00:24:55

Should he have done that in 2021, where everybody's, for all intents and purposes,

Jay Ray: 00:25:02

everybody's cool with each other?

Jay Ray: 00:25:04

Right.

Jay Ray: 00:25:05

DJ Sir Daniel: And everybody's having fun and enjoying this.

Jay Ray: 00:25:09

It almost was kinda like I, when I, when it was coming, when he came

Jay Ray: 00:25:12

to that, to that bridge, and I was like, "Ooh, is he gonna say it?"

Jay Ray: 00:25:17

Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: 00:25:17

" DJ Sir Daniel: Is he gonna say it?" And he said it.

Jay Ray: 00:25:19

Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: 00:25:21

DJ Sir Daniel: And I was like, "Ooh. Hmm." Kinda, you know, kinda

Jay Ray: 00:25:24

took me a, a back a little bit.

Jay Ray: 00:25:25

Yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:25:26

Your, your thoughts?

Jay Ray: 00:25:31

This is hard.

Jay Ray: 00:25:33

So I'ma tell you why this is hard.

Jay Ray: 00:25:35

Um, my heart says he should change it.

Jay Ray: 00:25:42

You know what I'm saying?

Jay Ray: 00:25:43

Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: 00:25:43

My heart says he should change it because when something … We talked

Jay Ray: 00:25:50

about this actually on our last show when I was talking about, uh, Do Me.

Jay Ray: 00:25:54

You know what I'm saying?

Jay Ray: 00:25:55

Mm. Where there comes these moments where we have to realize that something may have

Jay Ray: 00:26:02

been cool, but we have to make amends.

Jay Ray: 00:26:05

So I, I, Johnnie, Jay Ray, would say I'd switch this.

Jay Ray: 00:26:13

I'd say something different.

Jay Ray: 00:26:14

Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: 00:26:14

You know what I'm saying?

Jay Ray: 00:26:15

In 2021.

Jay Ray: 00:26:16

Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: 00:26:20

So yeah, that's where I land on it.

Jay Ray: 00:26:21

What about you?

Jay Ray: 00:26:21

Where do you land?

Jay Ray: 00:26:23

Hmm.

Jay Ray: 00:26:24

And I, and I'm gonna say something else too.

Jay Ray: 00:26:26

It ain't h- it wouldn't be hip hop.

Jay Ray: 00:26:29

I mean, this is what hip hop is as well, but we also at 50

Jay Ray: 00:26:34

can change what hip hop is too.

Jay Ray: 00:26:36

So I wanna say that as well.

Jay Ray: 00:26:38

DJ Sir Daniel: Yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:26:38

I agree.

Jay Ray: 00:26:39

So I'm, I'm s- I'm split on it as well.

Jay Ray: 00:26:42

Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: 00:26:42

Part of me was like, "Ooh, that it really sounds…" It, the optics and

Jay Ray: 00:26:48

the sonically it sounds so harsh-

Jay Ray: 00:26:52

Yeah

Jay Ray: 00:26:52

… DJ Sir Daniel: and it's 2021.

Jay Ray: 00:26:52

T- and, and her whole name is called out.

Jay Ray: 00:26:57

Yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:26:58

DJ Sir Daniel: And it, and Shante will tell you that there was

Jay Ray: 00:27:03

a moment in her life where she fell out of love with hip hop.

Jay Ray: 00:27:06

Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: 00:27:07

DJ Sir Daniel: And we'll talk about this even m- uh, more.

Jay Ray: 00:27:09

Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: 00:27:09

DJ Sir Daniel: When she fell out of love with hip hop because she was a punchline-

Jay Ray: 00:27:14

Yeah

Jay Ray: 00:27:16

… DJ Sir Daniel: to a lot of men, especially in the industry.

Jay Ray: 00:27:19

And so, yeah, so that, that made it kinda hard.

Jay Ray: 00:27:23

But at the same time, I was like, "Oh, they gonna bring my girl out." They, this

Jay Ray: 00:27:29

is- And- … this is about to happen.

Jay Ray: 00:27:30

This is about to happen.

Jay Ray: 00:27:31

So they're, they're gonna bring my girl out, and she, the music is

Jay Ray: 00:27:34

gonna stop, and she's gonna, like, completely go obliterate him- Mm-hmm

Jay Ray: 00:27:40

because that's what they did back in the day.

Jay Ray: 00:27:42

Right.

Jay Ray: 00:27:42

DJ Sir Daniel: And so the music stop, they talked, and I was

Jay Ray: 00:27:45

like, "Ah." You know, I was kinda like, "Ah, it's not gonna happen."

Jay Ray: 00:27:48

Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: 00:27:50

DJ Sir Daniel: But then Kane turned around and said, "Hold up."

Jay Ray: 00:27:52

Right.

Jay Ray: 00:27:55

DJ Sir Daniel: "Let me bring my queen out here."

Jay Ray: 00:27:57

Yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:27:58

DJ Sir Daniel: You woulda thought I was… You, you ever see the f- the

Jay Ray: 00:28:02

footage of the w- of the g- little girls screaming in the oh, in the '50s and

Jay Ray: 00:28:06

'60s when The Beatles came on the stage?

Jay Ray: 00:28:08

Yes.

Jay Ray: 00:28:09

You would, you woulda thought I was one of those little girls the way I hopped

Jay Ray: 00:28:13

out of my seat and screamed in this house.

Jay Ray: 00:28:15

I was like, "Oh, sh- ah." Yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:28:18

And, and sure enough, she came, Roxanne Shante came down the stage.

Jay Ray: 00:28:23

Yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:28:23

And her and Big Daddy Kane on stage for- Oh … to spit a bar.

Jay Ray: 00:28:28

He, and absolutely to his credit, he gave her props and said, "Listen.

Jay Ray: 00:28:35

Nowadays it's the men-

Jay Ray: 00:28:38

Mm-hmm

Jay Ray: 00:28:38

… DJ Sir Daniel: are put on and become famous, and then per- bring out a woman-

Jay Ray: 00:28:43

Yep

Jay Ray: 00:28:43

DJ Sir Daniel: and put her on and make her famous." Not the case for the Juice Crew.

Jay Ray: 00:28:48

Right.

Jay Ray: 00:28:50

DJ Sir Daniel: This little girl- … at 14 years old came and opened the

Jay Ray: 00:28:54

door, and opened, and created the platform of the Juice Crew- Yep … and

Jay Ray: 00:28:59

brought in Biz Markie- Mm … Run and Big Daddy Kane- Mm-hmm … MC Shan-

Jay Ray: 00:29:04

Yeah … Marley Marl, uh, Masta Ace, Craig G, and created the Juice Crew.

Jay Ray: 00:29:10

And all of them- He said it himself.

Jay Ray: 00:29:13

He did.

Jay Ray: 00:29:13

All of them consequently got their own deals after becoming affiliated

Jay Ray: 00:29:18

and brought together by, because of Roxanne Shante, which I thought

Jay Ray: 00:29:23

was, that probably was one of the- Yeah … best moments of the night.

Jay Ray: 00:29:27

Absolutely.

Jay Ray: 00:29:28

I h- ooh, having her… I, I, I re- I felt so happy for, for, for her, and I

Jay Ray: 00:29:37

ha- felt happy for hip-hop in that moment.

Jay Ray: 00:29:40

Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: 00:29:40

Because it truly was.

Jay Ray: 00:29:42

So it vindicated, so now going back to the question that you originally

Jay Ray: 00:29:46

asked, um, that made it, it felt good.

Jay Ray: 00:29:52

It just really- Yeah … felt good.

Jay Ray: 00:29:53

And, um, shout out to Big Daddy Kane for taking that moment, 'cause

Jay Ray: 00:29:57

she could have easy- he could have easily let her leave the stage.

Jay Ray: 00:30:01

After she landed and Shante's voice cuts through all of the

Jay Ray: 00:30:10

noise, which is- All of it

Jay Ray: 00:30:11

fascinating to me.

Jay Ray: 00:30:14

It's that right pitch of you shut up when she's rapping.

Jay Ray: 00:30:22

DJ Sir Daniel: It's, it's definitely that, it's definitely the voice of

Jay Ray: 00:30:25

a girl that carry in the projects.

Jay Ray: 00:30:28

Uh, we all know that girl- … in the, in the projects, in the apartment complexes.

Jay Ray: 00:30:32

Her voice carries.

Jay Ray: 00:30:34

Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: 00:30:35

DJ Sir Daniel: You know that girl.

Jay Ray: 00:30:36

Her voice carries.

Jay Ray: 00:30:37

It's, it, it's not, it may not be the, it's not the heaviest.

Jay Ray: 00:30:41

Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: 00:30:41

DJ Sir Daniel: It's, it's, it's kinda pitchy, it's kinda high pitch,

Jay Ray: 00:30:44

but at the same time it's, it's got that edge to it and it's serious.

Jay Ray: 00:30:48

You're absolutely- Yeah … right.

Jay Ray: 00:30:49

Yeah, man.

Jay Ray: 00:30:49

She's like.

Jay Ray: 00:30:50

That's always, that's been part of her superpowers is that voice.

Jay Ray: 00:30:53

Yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:30:53

And I, yes, that was definitely one of the best moments of the verses.

Jay Ray: 00:30:59

So hats off to Swizz and Tim for this one, 'cause that really, it

Jay Ray: 00:31:03

made us old heads feel real good.

Jay Ray: 00:31:05

Yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:31:06

We, you know, I had a really good time watching it and just, you

Jay Ray: 00:31:10

know, living out those moments of wanting to see people like that.

Jay Ray: 00:31:13

He brought out DJ Red Alert.

Jay Ray: 00:31:14

He, Red Alert was on stage.

Jay Ray: 00:31:18

DJ Sir Daniel: Performing the bridge with him.

Jay Ray: 00:31:19

That was, yeah, that was dope.

Jay Ray: 00:31:21

I wish, I wish Marley Marl could've been there, you know?

Jay Ray: 00:31:23

Yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:31:24

Marley, I was l- I was looking for Marley, and Marley wasn't there, um, as

Jay Ray: 00:31:27

DJ Sir Daniel: well.

Jay Ray: 00:31:27

And rest in peace, rest in peace Mr. Magic.

Jay Ray: 00:31:30

Mr. Magic- Yeah … was very-

Jay Ray: 00:31:31

Yep

Jay Ray: 00:31:31

… DJ Sir Daniel: very instrumental in that whole- Yep

Jay Ray: 00:31:34

Juice Crew-

Jay Ray: 00:31:35

Mm-hmm

Jay Ray: 00:31:35

… DJ Sir Daniel: you know, um, creation as well.

Jay Ray: 00:31:37

So kids, l- if you don't know any of these names that we're saying, look 'em up.

Jay Ray: 00:31:42

Look 'em up,

Jay Ray: 00:31:43

man.

Jay Ray: 00:31:45

They're very important people.

Jay Ray: 00:31:45

Listen.

Jay Ray: 00:31:46

Yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:31:46

There's, um-

Jay Ray: 00:31:48

Oh, I had a point, and it was around… I can't remember the point, though.

Jay Ray: 00:31:51

We can move on.

Jay Ray: 00:31:52

Okay.

Jay Ray: 00:31:52

I'ma leave this in.

Jay Ray: 00:31:55

DJ Sir Daniel: So this has been… So imagine going from Sunday to Monday night.

Jay Ray: 00:31:59

This has been like the, a, a week, a week for hip-hop.

Jay Ray: 00:32:03

Yes.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Like, literally, because you and I kind of… Well,

Jay Ray: 00:32:07

we talked about this off air, but we were both geeked because ABC-

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Mm-hmm

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… DJ Sir Daniel: had been pro- um, promoting this great documentary-

Jay Ray: 00:32:16

Yep … called The Real Queens of Hip Hop.

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Mm-hmm.

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DJ Sir Daniel: And I was, the trailers had me super geeked because,

Jay Ray: 00:32:25

one, they had our girl on there.

Jay Ray: 00:32:27

Yeah.

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Rock singer Dante.

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And I was like, "You can't have this without having her there."

Jay Ray: 00:32:32

Right, right.

Jay Ray: 00:32:33

DJ Sir Daniel: But to, to, to take it to another level, we saw Em- we saw Sha Rock.

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Sha Rock is sitting down for an interview on national t- i- national TV.

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DJ Sir Daniel: So shout out to, what are the producers' names again?

Jay Ray: 00:32:48

Fatima- Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: 00:32:48

I'm pulling their names right now.

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Uh,

Jay Ray: 00:32:53

DJ Sir Daniel: wait.

Jay Ray: 00:32:53

Um… The produ- Fatima Curry.

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Uh-huh.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Shout out to Fatima Curry and Mallia Patrea-

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Yep

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… DJ Sir Daniel: over, over at ABC-

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Mm-hmm

Jay Ray: 00:33:02

… DJ Sir Daniel: for, for making that happen.

Jay Ray: 00:33:04

Yeah.

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DJ Sir Daniel: For, you know, for putting this documentary regarding

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hip-hop, regarding, uh, uh, the, the nucleus, the, the DNA.

Jay Ray: 00:33:15

The DNA of hip-hop is not complete without the women.

Jay Ray: 00:33:18

Yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:33:19

DJ Sir Daniel: And as, listen, as a female rap fanatic, those who know me,

Jay Ray: 00:33:25

this show is super important to have.

Jay Ray: 00:33:27

Yes.

Jay Ray: 00:33:28

DJ Sir Daniel: Um, not only just for fans, but for them.

Jay Ray: 00:33:31

Yep.

Jay Ray: 00:33:31

It was super important.

Jay Ray: 00:33:32

Sha Rock, can you imagine, Sha Rock was 17 years old when she and the Funky Four

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Plus One were on Saturday Night Live.

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Isn't that nuts?

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That's nuts.

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DJ Sir Daniel: And, but then, but Sunos found out that she was pregnant.

Jay Ray: 00:33:47

Right, and in

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DJ Sir Daniel: pain.

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And terrified.

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And terrified.

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Terrified because she didn't, the crew, she was pregnant- Mm-hmm … and the

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crew was like, "What are you doing?"

Jay Ray: 00:33:58

Right.

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" DJ Sir Daniel: We're about to, we're about to blow up, and you're pregnant?"

Jay Ray: 00:34:02

You know, that's, that's the fear I think a lot of people have when

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it comes to women, um, in music, is the fact that they can get pregnant.

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And a lot of people feel like pregnancy, especially back then, was a handicap.

Jay Ray: 00:34:15

Oh, God.

Jay Ray: 00:34:16

Yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:34:17

We have done… That, once again, illustrated the challenges of women, and

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we've talked about it a lot on this show.

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And, um, this documentary brought it up again.

Jay Ray: 00:34:29

Like, it brought it up again.

Jay Ray: 00:34:30

Yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:34:31

Um, yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:34:32

Um, happy that this happened.

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This needed to happen.

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This docu- this documentary needed to happen.

Jay Ray: 00:34:40

DJ Sir Daniel: It did.

Jay Ray: 00:34:40

I think one of the, um, another dope moment, we were just

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talking about Roxanne Shanté.

Jay Ray: 00:34:45

Yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:34:46

DJ Sir Daniel: And if it feels like she got vindicated on two nights.

Jay Ray: 00:34:49

Mm-hmm, yep.

Jay Ray: 00:34:51

DJ Sir Daniel: She had that moment with Kane on Verzuz, and then

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the following night on, on this Queens of, Real Queens of Hip Hop.

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Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: 00:35:00

DJ Sir Daniel: She was able to tell the story, like, Mama was literally sabotaged

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at the New Music Seminar on purpose.

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And we know who it was because they, they said- Yeah … it's, it's,

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it's a matter of public record.

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Yeah.

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DJ Sir Daniel: But she did not repeat their names.

Jay Ray: 00:35:16

Nope.

Jay Ray: 00:35:16

DJ Sir Daniel: Because, because they're, they're all respectful,

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they're all family- Yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:35:20

Yeah … friends at this point.

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But literally was told, "Yeah, I'm sorry. You, we know that you rocked it.

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We know that you rocked everybody that came up here, you battled everybody

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and you won, but we can't have you represent hip-hop right now." Mm-hmm.

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"You can't be, you can't be the, h- hold the title of world supremacy

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MC because you're a little girl."

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Because, dude- That's wild … we just be wildin'.

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Patriarchy is the worst.

Jay Ray: 00:35:52

DJ Sir Daniel: Patriarchy is wild, man.

Jay Ray: 00:35:53

That sh- It's, it's wild.

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Especially

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when

Jay Ray: 00:35:56

DJ Sir Daniel: you buying into it.

Jay Ray: 00:35:58

When you buy into it like that and know when the words come out of like,

Jay Ray: 00:36:04

"Yeah, we know, but we can't have you be the one right now. It's too early."

Jay Ray: 00:36:15

DJ Sir Daniel: Ain't that crazy?

Jay Ray: 00:36:17

We need a dude to be- That's crazy … we need a dude.

Jay Ray: 00:36:20

Imagine, okay, let's, let's play devil, uh, let's play advo- let's

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play, let's flip this, right?

Jay Ray: 00:36:26

DJ Sir Daniel: Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: 00:36:26

What might hip-hop have looked like if Roxanne Shante was the

Jay Ray: 00:36:34

hottest MC out in 1980, was that '85?

Jay Ray: 00:36:39

' DJ Sir Daniel: 85.

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What would hip-hop look like today if Roxanne Shante was

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allowed to be the hottest thing out?

Jay Ray: 00:36:50

That woulda changed a lot of the trajectory

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DJ Sir Daniel: Who knows what contracts would've looked like?

Jay Ray: 00:37:00

Yep.

Jay Ray: 00:37:01

DJ Sir Daniel: Who knows what writers would've looked like?

Jay Ray: 00:37:02

Yeah.

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What world tours would've looked like.

Jay Ray: 00:37:05

You just never know.

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Who else would've been able to walk through the door?

Jay Ray: 00:37:09

We just getting a Lil Nas X in 2021.

Jay Ray: 00:37:13

If we were able to have a Roxanne Shante be the hottest thing out in

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1985, who knows who else could've walked through the doors sooner?

Jay Ray: 00:37:24

Be- we just be like, man.

Jay Ray: 00:37:28

But to your point, Sir Daniel, I feel like having her be

Jay Ray: 00:37:33

able to, one, tell her story.

Jay Ray: 00:37:34

Having Sha Rock and her be able to tell that story-

Jay Ray: 00:37:38

DJ Sir Daniel: Yeah

Jay Ray: 00:37:38

… Jay Ray: from their perspective, you can't, you can't beat that.

Jay Ray: 00:37:43

DJ Sir Daniel: You can't beat that.

Jay Ray: 00:37:44

Um, it was very important to have women from that era-

Jay Ray: 00:37:47

Mm-hmm

Jay Ray: 00:37:48

DJ Sir Daniel: especially as Sha Rock.

Jay Ray: 00:37:49

Because with Sha Rock there was a, there was Pebbles and Pooh-

Jay Ray: 00:37:53

Mm-hmm

Jay Ray: 00:37:54

… DJ Sir Daniel: the Mercedes Ladies- Mm-hmm … Lisa Lee, MC Debby B- uh,

Jay Ray: 00:37:58

Debby D- Mm-hmm … of the Us Girls.

Jay Ray: 00:38:00

Um, a lot of them really didn't, now shout out to the Us Girls,

Jay Ray: 00:38:06

they appeared in Beat Street.

Jay Ray: 00:38:07

Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: 00:38:08

DJ Sir Daniel: You know, which was major for a female rap

Jay Ray: 00:38:10

group to appear in a movie.

Jay Ray: 00:38:12

Yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:38:12

DJ Sir Daniel: But a lot of them didn't have that voice, you know.

Jay Ray: 00:38:15

Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: 00:38:15

Sparky D and the Playgirls.

Jay Ray: 00:38:17

Yep.

Jay Ray: 00:38:18

This, there's a list that goes on.

Jay Ray: 00:38:21

And, um, I think that might have been part of, I don't know, may- an hour didn't seem

Jay Ray: 00:38:27

like it was enough for this documentary.

Jay Ray: 00:38:29

Because- That thing was moving at the speed of light.

Jay Ray: 00:38:32

That thing was moving so fast, and I know y'all, y'all only had a hour.

Jay Ray: 00:38:36

And you know what?

Jay Ray: 00:38:36

And, and, and, and, and I am going to, I'm gonna love on the, the, the,

Jay Ray: 00:38:41

the production team for a second.

Jay Ray: 00:38:43

Maria.

Jay Ray: 00:38:43

Because when I think about it as we're ta- having this conversation, they had

Jay Ray: 00:38:46

literally an hour to- Yeah … get as much history about women in hip-hop

Jay Ray: 00:38:53

as you can get, when the reality is you can do a, an entire docuseries

Jay Ray: 00:39:02

that's many parts.

Jay Ray: 00:39:05

You can do a 10-part docuseries about women in hip-hop covering the golden

Jay Ray: 00:39:10

era and all of that with easily.

Jay Ray: 00:39:14

DJ Sir Daniel: Absolutely.

Jay Ray: 00:39:15

They could've done a whole one episode on Sylvia Robinson alone.

Jay Ray: 00:39:19

Alone.

Jay Ray: 00:39:20

Because her history is wild.

Jay Ray: 00:39:24

Like- Mm-hmm … becoming a p- a, a guitar player.

Jay Ray: 00:39:28

Yep.

Jay Ray: 00:39:28

And si- singing in a group herself.

Jay Ray: 00:39:30

Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: 00:39:31

DJ Sir Daniel: To becoming a notorious gangster.

Jay Ray: 00:39:33

Yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:39:33

That, that started a record label.

Jay Ray: 00:39:36

I mean, her history alone is worth at least an, an hour on its own.

Jay Ray: 00:39:43

At least.

Jay Ray: 00:39:43

But, you know, again, shout out to Mallia and Fatima- Mm-hmm … for what you guys

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did, because that was a lot of work.

Jay Ray: 00:39:50

Yes.

Jay Ray: 00:39:50

Um, I do- I, so looking on social media after, during the show and

Jay Ray: 00:39:57

afterwards, there wa- uh, it was a lot of sentiment that was repeated

Jay Ray: 00:40:01

regarding the glaring, gaping hole-

Jay Ray: 00:40:07

that Foxy Brown left.

Jay Ray: 00:40:10

It was like, and we just talked about Foxy Brown last week.

Jay Ray: 00:40:14

And it was like, well, h- hold up.

Jay Ray: 00:40:16

Wait- Did I miss it?

Jay Ray: 00:40:18

Did, did somebody-

Jay Ray: 00:40:19

What are you looking?

Jay Ray: 00:40:20

You looking behind the thing like, "I know they gonna talk about Foxy now, right?"

Jay Ray: 00:40:24

DJ Sir Daniel: Because, uh, and even in… Okay.

Jay Ray: 00:40:28

Even the segment on Lil' Kim was sparse.

Jay Ray: 00:40:30

It w- it was way sparse.

Jay Ray: 00:40:32

DJ Sir Daniel: It was, it was, it was

Jay Ray: 00:40:33

sparse- But the segment on Salt-N-Pepa was sparse too.

Jay Ray: 00:40:36

DJ Sir Daniel: Yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:40:37

So there, so there were kind of, there were some omissions.

Jay Ray: 00:40:40

Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: 00:40:41

DJ Sir Daniel: Um, Foxy Brown being, being a big one, especially because

Jay Ray: 00:40:45

the culture knows, hip hop culture knows that Lil' Kim and Foxy Brown's

Jay Ray: 00:40:51

careers are forever intertwined.

Jay Ray: 00:40:54

Absolutely.

Jay Ray: 00:40:55

There is- You kinda

Jay Ray: 00:40:56

DJ Sir Daniel: can't

Jay Ray: 00:40:56

talk about one without the other.

Jay Ray: 00:40:58

DJ Sir Daniel: Absolutely not.

Jay Ray: 00:40:59

Definitely their careers took, went different places.

Jay Ray: 00:41:02

Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: 00:41:03

DJ Sir Daniel: But the nexus, the or- the origins are definitely

Jay Ray: 00:41:07

intertwined, and you cannot talk about one and not talk about the other.

Jay Ray: 00:41:10

It just makes me wonder, you know, about why.

Jay Ray: 00:41:15

You know, the politics around that.

Jay Ray: 00:41:17

Um, yeah, it's, it's kinda weird.

Jay Ray: 00:41:20

Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: 00:41:21

Um, it was… And it w- it, it kind of made me wonder,

Jay Ray: 00:41:24

okay, the special was nice.

Jay Ray: 00:41:26

Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: 00:41:27

DJ Sir Daniel: But I'm wondering, is, was this just an appetizer created

Jay Ray: 00:41:30

by ABC to get us to watch their new show, Queens- Queens … featuring Eve-

Jay Ray: 00:41:38

Eve … Brandy- Brandy … and Naturi- Yep

Jay Ray: 00:41:41

on ABC?

Jay Ray: 00:41:42

Because it led right on into that.

Jay Ray: 00:41:44

Yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:41:45

Then the very next night the show premiered.

Jay Ray: 00:41:46

So, you know, I'm wondering if it, this was definitely a vehicle-

Jay Ray: 00:41:51

Yes … for the show to be advertised.

Jay Ray: 00:41:54

But I, it, yeah, Mallia and Fatima needed a whole week.

Jay Ray: 00:41:59

They needed a

Jay Ray: 00:42:00

DJ Sir Daniel: whole

Jay Ray: 00:42:00

week.

Jay Ray: 00:42:01

DJ Sir Daniel: They- ABC should have given them a whole week to

Jay Ray: 00:42:03

do, uh, to really flesh it out.

Jay Ray: 00:42:05

Yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:42:05

Because I really think they did a great job with what they had.

Jay Ray: 00:42:09

Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: 00:42:09

It could have even, it could have been even doper if they would've had more

Jay Ray: 00:42:13

time to include J.J. Fad in there.

Jay Ray: 00:42:15

Yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:42:15

Oh, yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:42:15

And what, and, and what J.J. Fad did for Ruthless Records- Yeah … and, and,

Jay Ray: 00:42:20

and Eazy-E because we probably would've never heard of them if they hadn't had

Jay Ray: 00:42:24

made all that money for Ruthless Records.

Jay Ray: 00:42:27

So there's just so much that they could have talked about, um-

Jay Ray: 00:42:31

Wow

Jay Ray: 00:42:32

… DJ Sir Daniel: in this documentary.

Jay Ray: 00:42:33

Yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:42:33

Yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:42:34

Um, so I, one of the theories, 'cause I was swirling around

Jay Ray: 00:42:41

The Foxy Brown not being present.

Jay Ray: 00:42:44

Yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:42:45

So here's where I landed on that, and, um, folks, if y'all

Jay Ray: 00:42:48

know, chime in, um, in the chat.

Jay Ray: 00:42:50

But I was like, "Oh, maybe they just couldn't get her image cleared."

Jay Ray: 00:42:56

That was the one thing.

Jay Ray: 00:42:57

I was like, "This is probably comes down to, like, a business thing where they

Jay Ray: 00:43:00

just couldn't get her image cleared," and that's- Mm-hmm … why she didn't appear.

Jay Ray: 00:43:04

You know what I'm saying?

Jay Ray: 00:43:04

Or that's why they couldn't really talk about her, 'cause they didn't… 'Cause

Jay Ray: 00:43:07

you have to get all of that, like, all of these people pretty much have to sign

Jay Ray: 00:43:10

off saying that you can talk about me.

Jay Ray: 00:43:13

Um- Mm … and I would imagine that, I can imagine that you

Jay Ray: 00:43:18

would have something like this.

Jay Ray: 00:43:20

Foxy Brown, to your point, and Lil' Kim's careers are so pivotal to the trajectory

Jay Ray: 00:43:27

of what hip hop did, not just women, 'cause as we know, Foxy helped men,

Jay Ray: 00:43:34

one of them is almost a billionaire, helped men launch their careers.

Jay Ray: 00:43:38

Two of them.

Jay Ray: 00:43:38

Two of them.

Jay Ray: 00:43:38

Two of them are billionaires.

Jay Ray: 00:43:39

Right.

Jay Ray: 00:43:40

Yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:43:40

Foxy helped them launch into the stratosphere, right?

Jay Ray: 00:43:45

You kinda can't talk about that era without talking about her.

Jay Ray: 00:43:48

So the thing I came up with, I was like, "Oh, this is probably just

Jay Ray: 00:43:51

they couldn't clear her image." Which is sad, if that's true.

Jay Ray: 00:43:58

Um- I like

Jay Ray: 00:43:58

DJ Sir Daniel: that theory.

Jay Ray: 00:43:59

Yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:44:00

I'm- I like that theory … I'm really thinking that's like it, 'cause I can't

Jay Ray: 00:44:02

imagine they didn't reach out to her crew.

Jay Ray: 00:44:05

It just wouldn't make sense.

Jay Ray: 00:44:06

Yeah 'Cause they know, they know people would ha- be like, "Where's Foxy?"

Jay Ray: 00:44:13

DJ Sir Daniel: It was, it was just like, okay, yeah, we gonna, so we gonna talk

Jay Ray: 00:44:16

about Kim, we're gonna talk about Foxx,

Jay Ray: 00:44:19

and- And then we'll go to Trina and Eve and them.

Jay Ray: 00:44:21

We get it.

Jay Ray: 00:44:21

We know how this- Yeah … is gonna go.

Jay Ray: 00:44:22

And then it was like,

Jay Ray: 00:44:23

DJ Sir Daniel: no.

Jay Ray: 00:44:24

The steps.

Jay Ray: 00:44:24

Right.

Jay Ray: 00:44:25

The steps to it.

Jay Ray: 00:44:26

So yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:44:27

Um, good job ladies.

Jay Ray: 00:44:29

Uh, I think the best part, the absolute best part was the intergenerational

Jay Ray: 00:44:35

chat- I loved that … hoste- ho- hosted by Andrew Martinez.

Jay Ray: 00:44:39

Mm-hmm Featuring the Godmother, Roxanne Shante.

Jay Ray: 00:44:43

Yep.

Jay Ray: 00:44:43

Lil Mama.

Jay Ray: 00:44:44

Uh-huh.

Jay Ray: 00:44:46

DJ Sir Daniel: And Lakeyah.

Jay Ray: 00:44:47

Lakeyah, yep.

Jay Ray: 00:44:48

Yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:44:48

DJ Sir Daniel: Who, who is a QC artist, a vi- a quality control artist.

Jay Ray: 00:44:52

Yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:44:52

DJ Sir Daniel: Um, I just saw her recently with, on, doing a

Jay Ray: 00:44:56

freestyle on Funkmaster Flex's show, which is a great look for her.

Jay Ray: 00:44:59

Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: 00:45:00

So it, I think she's on her way.

Jay Ray: 00:45:02

But I think that conversation is so important because there, there are

Jay Ray: 00:45:06

these intergenerational, um, rifts-

Jay Ray: 00:45:11

Mm-hmm

Jay Ray: 00:45:12

DJ Sir Daniel: uh, when we have these discussions about what

Jay Ray: 00:45:14

rap music was and r- what it is today, what's selling, what's not.

Jay Ray: 00:45:19

Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: 00:45:19

DJ Sir Daniel: And I think it was so important that they had that

Jay Ray: 00:45:22

conversation just womans, women to women.

Jay Ray: 00:45:23

Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: 00:45:24

And hearing Lil Mama vocalize how she was at tw- 13, 14 years old, how they wanted,

Jay Ray: 00:45:38

they tried to sexualize her- Sexualize her

Jay Ray: 00:45:40

with the makeup.

Jay Ray: 00:45:42

Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: 00:45:42

And she said, "Do you know what that does to a child when you, you start sexualizing

Jay Ray: 00:45:47

them?" And I'm like, wow, yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:45:50

Yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:45:50

Yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:45:50

And then on top of that, because you know of her infamous moment on the VMAs.

Jay Ray: 00:45:56

Yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:45:56

Yep.

Jay Ray: 00:45:57

DJ Sir Daniel: You know, she, she was literally torn apart in social media.

Jay Ray: 00:46:01

So yeah, that's a, that's a lot.

Jay Ray: 00:46:04

That's a, a lot of times people, you know, like Lil Mama end up being- The,

Jay Ray: 00:46:10

um, the, the guinea pigs- Yes … for other people of this is what not to do.

Jay Ray: 00:46:16

Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: 00:46:16

This is what you can do.

Jay Ray: 00:46:18

But you know, God bless her.

Jay Ray: 00:46:19

I'm glad she was able to be a part of that conversation.

Jay Ray: 00:46:23

And I really, I wonder what the outtakes look like.

Jay Ray: 00:46:26

Because I know Shanté really could, I'm sure she was dropping gems,

Jay Ray: 00:46:31

especially- Absolutely … for like Lakeyah, for the new ones.

Jay Ray: 00:46:34

Yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:46:34

'Cause, uh, you know, she had to.

Jay Ray: 00:46:36

Absolutely.

Jay Ray: 00:46:37

And you know what I loved about, so we of course grew up in the era

Jay Ray: 00:46:41

where Shanté dissed everybody, right?

Jay Ray: 00:46:43

So you know, when it's so funny, so when I see Roxanne Shanté you be like,

Jay Ray: 00:46:49

"You don't know," like I be like, "Oh, is she gonna like go in on like

Jay Ray: 00:46:53

all of these women sitting here?"

Jay Ray: 00:46:54

'Cause that's like- Mm-hmm … in my head I'm like, "She just gonna

Jay Ray: 00:46:56

start dissing everybody." Yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:46:58

'Cause that's what she is.

Jay Ray: 00:47:00

But what I loved that she did, and they left that in, was she bigged up Lakeyah.

Jay Ray: 00:47:06

She was like, uh, she was talking about, what I love about your generation is

Jay Ray: 00:47:10

what y'all, how y'all have kind of been moving within the industry and da, da, da.

Jay Ray: 00:47:14

And she talked about specifically, you know, doing something, it was

Jay Ray: 00:47:18

something on l- no, she got monetized.

Jay Ray: 00:47:20

And she was like, "I got monetized," and she was like, "I didn't know what

Jay Ray: 00:47:24

it meant, but I asked somebody" and they like, "Oh, it's because, you know,

Jay Ray: 00:47:27

you hit this." And she's like, "Oh, that's how they be making that money."

Jay Ray: 00:47:31

Yep.

Jay Ray: 00:47:31

That's why.

Jay Ray: 00:47:32

So it was cool hearing her from her generation like big up like,

Jay Ray: 00:47:37

"I see how y'all are moving now. It's making sense to me."

Jay Ray: 00:47:41

DJ Sir Daniel: And, you know, just like a, a bigger sister or mother,

Jay Ray: 00:47:45

she's like, "Thank God y'all don't have to go what, go through-

Jay Ray: 00:47:47

Yes … what I went through." Mm-hmm.

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"Thank God y'all didn't get, you know, have these promoters

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try to rob you and not pay you."

Jay Ray: 00:47:54

Yep.

Jay Ray: 00:47:54

" DJ Sir Daniel: That kind of stuff won't even fly no more." Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: 00:47:57

You know, because, because we went through it.

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So thank God y'all don't have to go through that.

Jay Ray: 00:48:01

Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: 00:48:01

And you're making money off of, off of this.

Jay Ray: 00:48:05

Right.

Jay Ray: 00:48:05

DJ Sir Daniel: You know, the phones, and off of, you know, off

Jay Ray: 00:48:07

of the, the computers and whatnot.

Jay Ray: 00:48:09

Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: 00:48:09

So yeah, that was a very important moment to have.

Jay Ray: 00:48:12

And, um, yeah, to your point about Chaunte being… But she

Jay Ray: 00:48:17

had to be that at that time.

Jay Ray: 00:48:19

She did.

Jay Ray: 00:48:19

She did.

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DJ Sir Daniel: And so it's a wonderful thing to see that evolution-

Jay Ray: 00:48:23

Yep

Jay Ray: 00:48:23

… DJ Sir Daniel: because a lot of people are wondering, can other rappers evolve-

Jay Ray: 00:48:29

Mm … and become friend- friendly, if not friends- Mm … and change, you know?

Jay Ray: 00:48:35

If Chan- look, if Chaunte can do it and be cool with MC Lyte,

Jay Ray: 00:48:39

Yo-Yo, Queen Latifah- Pooh She-

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and everybody else's- … and them lines- That everybody else that you just-

Jay Ray: 00:48:43

From Big Mama were brutal, bruh.

Jay Ray: 00:48:46

DJ Sir Daniel: They were brutal.

Jay Ray: 00:48:47

Matter of fact, drop a link in so that they can hear, and make sure

Jay Ray: 00:48:50

it's the Large Professor version.

Jay Ray: 00:48:51

Oh, absolutely.

Jay Ray: 00:48:53

Y'all gotta hear- Yeah, that- … Big Mama, and listen, I will never

Jay Ray: 00:48:56

forget the, the, the Jack LaLanne line that was related to, uh- Ooh

Jay Ray: 00:49:01

I think it was- Yo-Yo … Yo-Yo.

Jay Ray: 00:49:03

DJ Sir Daniel: Yo-Yo, yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:49:04

I was like-

Jay Ray: 00:49:05

DJ Sir Daniel: Yeah

Jay Ray: 00:49:05

… " Jay Ray: Yo, yo."

Jay Ray: 00:49:07

DJ Sir Daniel: The Jack… It was the pork chop, it was the pork chop line for me.

Jay Ray: 00:49:10

I was like, "Whoa." And then, and they, and they're, they're cool to this day.

Jay Ray: 00:49:15

I'm like, "Okay." Because- So that, that lets me know

Jay Ray: 00:49:18

… Jay Ray: it's hip hop too, and I think the guys, and that's the

Jay Ray: 00:49:20

other thing that we're learning.

Jay Ray: 00:49:22

So you know what, that's actually interesting.

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And, and, uh-

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Dissing then, well yeah, it got, it got real serious.

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Like, 'cause you know, like there was these moments where it was a diss, but

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then it blurred into something real.

Jay Ray: 00:49:35

Mm-hmm.

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But also there was an understanding that this is a battle and someone has to lose.

Jay Ray: 00:49:42

So I wanna throw everything at you.

Jay Ray: 00:49:45

And at the moment where Big Mama was coming out, you have all of these women

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who are doing things that Roxanne Shante in her career hadn't been able to do.

Jay Ray: 00:49:56

Yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:49:56

Um, so yeah, of course you're gonna do a diss record against those.

Jay Ray: 00:50:01

Every th- every woman she dissed in that record at that moment was, like, doing

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stuff that she wasn't able to do in her-

Jay Ray: 00:50:09

DJ Sir Daniel: Commercially.

Jay Ray: 00:50:10

Yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:50:10

DJ Sir Daniel: Absolutely.

Jay Ray: 00:50:11

Oh, the, the Monie Love line.

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Yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:50:13

Oh.

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Nice.

Jay Ray: 00:50:14

Ooh.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Ooh.

Jay Ray: 00:50:18

And I, and again- Big Mama … she and Monie L- and, and she and Monie Love are,

Jay Ray: 00:50:21

are cool, so cool to this day, but I'm just like, every now and then I, if I was

Jay Ray: 00:50:25

Monie Love, I would look over at her and

Jay Ray: 00:50:30

be like, "You remember when you said that?" She'd be like,

Jay Ray: 00:50:33

"Y'all, I do remember when I said it."

Jay Ray: 00:50:33

"I'd say it again."

Jay Ray: 00:50:34

DJ Sir Daniel: Those, yeah, those were good times though.

Jay Ray: 00:50:36

Those were good times for hip hop.

Jay Ray: 00:50:38

Yeah.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Absolutely.

Jay Ray: 00:50:40

Speaking of good times for hip hop, uh, before we close out,

Jay Ray: 00:50:43

we gotta give a shout-out to the, to the Doggfather himself.

Jay Ray: 00:50:47

Snoop Dogg turned 50 this week.

Jay Ray: 00:50:52

Man.

Jay Ray: 00:50:53

Snoop- Can

Jay Ray: 00:50:54

DJ Sir Daniel: you believe it?

Jay Ray: 00:50:54

I, I, you know what?

Jay Ray: 00:50:56

In 2021 I can, but I couldn't have in 1993.

Jay Ray: 00:51:01

Um, who knew that- Big, tall, lanky Snoop who- Mm-hmm … was incredibly

Jay Ray: 00:51:12

talented, but you just kinda didn't know what that career was going to do.

Jay Ray: 00:51:17

You knew he was dope.

Jay Ray: 00:51:18

Yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:51:19

'Cause he was dope, but I don't think we could have pegged that he would have

Jay Ray: 00:51:24

the brilliant career that he's had.

Jay Ray: 00:51:27

He made that thing work for him.

Jay Ray: 00:51:30

DJ Sir Daniel: Listen, he's iconic.

Jay Ray: 00:51:32

Literally.

Jay Ray: 00:51:33

DJ Sir Daniel: Snoop Dogg is iconic.

Jay Ray: 00:51:35

Snoop Dogg is interwoven into the fabric of American culture.

Jay Ray: 00:51:40

Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: 00:51:40

Like, to your point, absolutely when we were in high school and, um, The

Jay Ray: 00:51:46

Chronic and Doggystyle came out- Mm-hmm … we ju- we just could never

Jay Ray: 00:51:50

could have fathomed that he would have, that his career would have

Jay Ray: 00:51:54

become something of, uh, mythological.

Jay Ray: 00:51:57

It's, it's mythological- Yeah … in a sense.

Jay Ray: 00:51:59

Yep.

Jay Ray: 00:52:00

DJ Sir Daniel: Another person, Snoop Dogg is crazy when it

Jay Ray: 00:52:04

comes to the off the head also.

Jay Ray: 00:52:05

Oh,

Jay Ray: 00:52:05

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:52:06

That's one of

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DJ Sir Daniel: the- Like- He's

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so good.

Jay Ray: 00:52:08

He's

Jay Ray: 00:52:09

DJ Sir Daniel: so versatile, and like, he's, he's gutter with it- Mm-hmm … but

Jay Ray: 00:52:13

he's also commercially friendly.

Jay Ray: 00:52:15

Exactly.

Jay Ray: 00:52:16

Like, who- did you ever think when we, that we would have seen the man that w-

Jay Ray: 00:52:19

almost went to, to prison for murder-

Jay Ray: 00:52:21

Mm-hmm

Jay Ray: 00:52:22

DJ Sir Daniel: would be hanging out with Martha Stewart?

Jay Ray: 00:52:23

Martha Stewart.

Jay Ray: 00:52:25

And, and, and really, and, and, and, uh, I'm not a weed smoker, but Snoop I'm sure

Jay Ray: 00:52:32

has had a lot to do with people accepting weed as kind of like a regular, um,

Jay Ray: 00:52:38

something that you can just do, and it can become part of regular everyday life.

Jay Ray: 00:52:43

Absolutely.

Jay Ray: 00:52:43

Because Snoop was truly the one that kind of ushered that in in this generation.

Jay Ray: 00:52:50

Um- Yep … and was unapologetic.

Jay Ray: 00:52:53

The new Cheech and Chong.

Jay Ray: 00:52:53

Yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:52:53

He's, he was this… He was the, the our generation's Cheech and Chong.

Jay Ray: 00:52:57

You know- Absolutely … Cheech or Chong.

Jay Ray: 00:53:00

DJ Sir Daniel: Absolutely.

Jay Ray: 00:53:01

So yeah, so happy birthday to the, to the Dogg Father.

Jay Ray: 00:53:04

And, um, yeah, to that whole to- To that class of freshmen that we looked up

Jay Ray: 00:53:12

to- Yeah … who are now becoming elder statesmen and- And elder stateswomen

Jay Ray: 00:53:16

… it's just really good- Yeah … elder stateswomen, it's really good to look

Jay Ray: 00:53:20

at them and to see them l- looking good and- Yeah … standing tall and

Jay Ray: 00:53:25

still being really good at their craft.

Jay Ray: 00:53:27

Like Big Daddy Kane, Big Daddy Kane is g- I know has to be

Jay Ray: 00:53:32

at least, what, 53 by now?

Jay Ray: 00:53:33

Oh, yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:53:34

DJ Sir Daniel: And, and Chris, and KRS-One- Yeah … is, it might be,

Jay Ray: 00:53:38

uh, slightly older because- Yeah … he's been in there for a minute.

Jay Ray: 00:53:41

Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: 00:53:41

DJ Sir Daniel: But still sharp as, you know, razor sharp when it comes to it.

Jay Ray: 00:53:45

Man.

Jay Ray: 00:53:46

Um, so many moments and, uh, I w- I will say, um, I think I've said

Jay Ray: 00:53:51

this on this show, but I'm gonna do a plug for the catalog of Juice Crew

Jay Ray: 00:53:57

legend Masta Ace, who of all- Yeah

Jay Ray: 00:54:00

of the Juice Crew was kinda the most prolific.

Jay Ray: 00:54:04

His catalog is deep and good.

Jay Ray: 00:54:09

Like, he has so many records that I literally love.

Jay Ray: 00:54:14

I love the Masta Ace Incorporated stuff, but he- Mm … became known for, so

Jay Ray: 00:54:20

in 2001 He really pivoted that career because he became, that was when the

Jay Ray: 00:54:27

backpacker kinda thing became a thing.

Jay Ray: 00:54:29

Yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:54:29

And so he became an underground MC, but pioneered these, um,

Jay Ray: 00:54:35

concept albums that were brilliant.

Jay Ray: 00:54:39

So you have Disposable Arts, A Long Hot Summer.

Jay Ray: 00:54:43

Play these records, y'all, and, and revisit the, the catalog of Masta

Jay Ray: 00:54:48

Ace, who also is very big on health.

Jay Ray: 00:54:51

So when we did our- Hmm … health show, I think I mentioned him.

Jay Ray: 00:54:54

But he said, like, "Listen, when I hit around 40, I knew I

Jay Ray: 00:54:58

couldn't survive doing what I did without pivoting my health." Yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:55:04

And so he pivoted his health real serious, and was like, "I need to cut out the

Jay Ray: 00:55:08

drinking while I'm on doing shows." 'Cause he's also, I think, an educator

Jay Ray: 00:55:12

in the New York school system too.

Jay Ray: 00:55:14

So he had to change some habits, man.

Jay Ray: 00:55:17

So Masta Ace, shout out.

Jay Ray: 00:55:19

DJ Sir Daniel: Definitely Masta Ace.

Jay Ray: 00:55:20

Um, s- when you brought up the INC, um, those albums, that really, he

Jay Ray: 00:55:26

was one of the, one of the main East Coast guys that kind of-

Jay Ray: 00:55:30

Yep

Jay Ray: 00:55:30

… DJ Sir Daniel: was able to marriage that West Coast sound.

Jay Ray: 00:55:33

Yep.

Jay Ray: 00:55:34

DJ Sir Daniel: He sure was.

Jay Ray: 00:55:35

And he, his flow.

Jay Ray: 00:55:36

And the albums were solid.

Jay Ray: 00:55:38

Yep.

Jay Ray: 00:55:38

And then the, the team that he, the team that he assembled.

Jay Ray: 00:55:41

Yep.

Jay Ray: 00:55:41

His wife, LeShé.

Jay Ray: 00:55:42

LeShé.

Jay Ray: 00:55:42

Uh, Paula, Paula Perry.

Jay Ray: 00:55:44

Yep.

Jay Ray: 00:55:45

And, uh, you know, and, uh, the MCs that he had riding with him.

Jay Ray: 00:55:49

Like, those were some really dope pro- um, projects back in the day.

Jay Ray: 00:55:52

You're absolutely right.

Jay Ray: 00:55:53

Yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:55:54

DJ Sir Daniel: Um, and we can't talk about, um, not talk about

Jay Ray: 00:55:57

his appearance on the Crooklyn.

Jay Ray: 00:55:59

Yep.

Jay Ray: 00:55:59

DJ Sir Daniel: Um- Oh, my God.

Jay Ray: 00:56:00

The Crooklyn

Jay Ray: 00:56:00

Dodgers- … song … and all of that

Jay Ray: 00:56:01

… DJ Sir Daniel: Crooklyn Dodgers.

Jay Ray: 00:56:02

Yeah, man.

Jay Ray: 00:56:03

So yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:56:03

So shout out to, to Masta Ace.

Jay Ray: 00:56:05

I saw you posted earlier this week, uh, reminded me of the brilliance

Jay Ray: 00:56:11

of Digable Planets' Blowout Comb.

Jay Ray: 00:56:14

That record.

Jay Ray: 00:56:15

DJ Sir Daniel: Brilliant al- Bro.

Jay Ray: 00:56:18

So, so- That record

Jay Ray: 00:56:20

… Jay Ray: like people

Jay Ray: 00:56:21

DJ Sir Daniel: ta- when it came out, and I know we, we, we're, we're

Jay Ray: 00:56:24

wrapping up soon, I promise y'all.

Jay Ray: 00:56:25

And we, we talked about everything from The Verses- Mm-hmm … to

Jay Ray: 00:56:29

the Women of Hip Hop special.

Jay Ray: 00:56:31

Now we're talking about Digable Planets.

Jay Ray: 00:56:32

Mm. And that, and that was a shame that Lady Bug never was- That Lady Bug,

Jay Ray: 00:56:36

I didn't see her picture, 'cause dear God, she's brilliant.

Jay Ray: 00:56:41

DJ Sir Daniel: Talking, talking about one of the, the most

Jay Ray: 00:56:43

fascinating voices in hip hop.

Jay Ray: 00:56:45

Yep.

Jay Ray: 00:56:45

But anyway, that album, Blowout Comb, first of all, was not wi- was not well

Jay Ray: 00:56:50

received- Mm-hmm … because of the popular success of, um, The Pendulum.

Jay Ray: 00:56:55

Yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:56:56

The Rebirth of Slick album.

Jay Ray: 00:56:56

The Rebirth of

Jay Ray: 00:56:57

Slick album, yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:56:58

DJ Sir Daniel: And so which is such a shame, because that album

Jay Ray: 00:57:01

is so gorgeous production-wise.

Jay Ray: 00:57:06

It's conceptual.

Jay Ray: 00:57:07

Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: 00:57:08

Black, they were talking about Black, um, Black, um, liberation- Yes … on those

Jay Ray: 00:57:15

records before it was really popular.

Jay Ray: 00:57:17

Yep.

Jay Ray: 00:57:18

DJ Sir Daniel: You know?

Jay Ray: 00:57:18

A- and so please you guys, check out Blowout Comb.

Jay Ray: 00:57:22

Please.

Jay Ray: 00:57:22

It turned what, 26?

Jay Ray: 00:57:23

20- Or 27 … yeah, I believe 26, 'cause it's, wait a minute, 1994.

Jay Ray: 00:57:28

How, uh, what is that?

Jay Ray: 00:57:29

DJ Sir Daniel: What, so it'll be 27.

Jay Ray: 00:57:30

27.

Jay Ray: 00:57:30

DJ Sir Daniel: So maybe it's turning, yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:57:31

Yes.

Jay Ray: 00:57:32

Um, please y'all.

Jay Ray: 00:57:33

Yeah, that-

Jay Ray: 00:57:34

DJ Sir Daniel: Gorgeous album

Jay Ray: 00:57:35

… Jay Ray: yeah, I mean, they had crazy sample.

Jay Ray: 00:57:37

Like, they sampled Shuggie Otis on that record, and nobody knew what

Jay Ray: 00:57:42

Information, uh, Inspiration Information sounded like, 'cause they got

Jay Ray: 00:57:45

discovered, rediscovered in the 2000s.

Jay Ray: 00:57:48

Yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:57:48

But they had a sample of it on their joint.

Jay Ray: 00:57:51

And just think- When 9th Wonder came out, I was like, "This is it." Can you

Jay Ray: 00:58:00

see that I'm 68 inches above sea level?

Jay Ray: 00:58:03

93 million miles above these devils.

Jay Ray: 00:58:05

Play me in the winter.

Jay Ray: 00:58:07

Play me in the summer.

Jay Ray: 00:58:08

Play me in the order, any order I say.

Jay Ray: 00:58:13

DJ Sir Daniel: Yo, and shout out to my sister, DJ Jazzy Joyce.

Jay Ray: 00:58:17

Jazzy.

Jay Ray: 00:58:18

That, that was a moment for her to be- Jazzy Jo- on the real, Jazzy

Jay Ray: 00:58:21

Joyce.

Jay Ray: 00:58:23

DJ Sir Daniel: Yes, that was a moment for her to be reintroduced to another

Jay Ray: 00:58:26

generation that… And my sister is s- is really underrated and does

Jay Ray: 00:58:31

not get… And I call her my sister because she's a friend of mine.

Jay Ray: 00:58:34

Yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:58:34

Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: 00:58:34

DJ Sir Daniel: Like, I, we are legit, we're legit friends.

Jay Ray: 00:58:37

Yes.

Jay Ray: 00:58:37

And shout out to you, Jazzy Joyce, because she is, she is sorely,

Jay Ray: 00:58:41

sorely underrated and unappreciated in this, um, in this game.

Jay Ray: 00:58:46

Oh, we're gonna wrap up because I, it just dawned on me that you can't, you didn't,

Jay Ray: 00:58:52

the special was not able to talk about the women behind the turntables in hip hop.

Jay Ray: 00:58:58

That is a, a-

Jay Ray: 00:58:58

DJ Sir Daniel: And there are so many … interesting omission.

Jay Ray: 00:58:58

That's a- Yeah

Jay Ray: 00:58:59

… Jay Ray: interesting omission.

Jay Ray: 00:59:01

So,

Jay Ray: 00:59:04

DJ Sir Daniel: so Fatima and Mallia, great job.

Jay Ray: 00:59:07

Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: 00:59:07

Let's see if we can get, like, a part two and a part three and a part four- Yes.

Jay Ray: 00:59:11

… so all these people can be honored and respected for their craft and what

Jay Ray: 00:59:15

they've given to the, to the culture.

Jay Ray: 00:59:17

Yes.

Jay Ray: 00:59:18

Oh, man, this is amazing.

Jay Ray: 00:59:19

This is amazing.

Jay Ray: 00:59:20

DJ Sir Daniel: Yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:59:21

Yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:59:23

DJ Sir Daniel: Well, listen.

Jay Ray: 00:59:24

Kids, what do I always say?

Jay Ray: 00:59:26

In this life, you can either pick up the needle or you can let the music play.

Jay Ray: 00:59:32

The choice is yours.

Jay Ray: 00:59:34

The, I am DJ Sir Daniel.

Jay Ray: 00:59:35

And I

Jay Ray: 00:59:36

am Jay Ray, y'all.

Jay Ray: 00:59:38

DJ Sir Daniel: Peace.

Jay Ray: 00:59:38

Thank you for joining us for this dope ass episode of Que-