Episode 1

Kicking Off with Culture: SWV vs. Xscape, Vinyl Love & Black Music Joy

The very first episode of Queue Points brings together DJ Sir Daniel and Jay Ray for a lively, heartfelt conversation about the power of Black music and the joy it brings in hard times. The hosts reflect on their experiences as DJs and vinyl collectors, honoring legends like Stevie Wonder and Janet Jackson, and celebrating community through music. Highlighting the SWV vs. Xscape Verzuz event, they break down favorite moments, group dynamics, and the impact of remixes on R&B and hip-hop culture. With stories about record hunting, musical history, and the healing energy of gospel house, this episode is a joyful journey through Black music excellence, personal memories, and cultural commentary—reminding listeners of the importance of celebrating artistry and uplifting each other.

Topics Covered:

  • Experiences as DJs, vinyl collecting, and the joy of finding records
  • The impact of music during challenging times and the role of music in well-being
  • Black music history and appreciation
  • Record collecting clubs and the significance of colored vinyl
  • Return to in-person DJ events post-pandemic and adjusting to new guidelines
  • Birthday shout-outs to DJ Apple Jack, Jay Ray, and musical legends like Stevie Wonder and Janet Jackson
  • Celebrating Stevie Wonder's musical legacy and favorite Stevie Wonder songs
  • Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductees: Tina Turner, Carole King, Jay-Z, LL Cool J, Gil Scott Heron, Kraftwerk, Billy Preston, Clarence Avant
  • Janet Jackson's influence on women in music and her vocal harmonies
  • The SWV vs. Xscape Verzuz event: sound issues, favorite moments, group dynamics, camaraderie, and performances
  • The importance and impact of remixes in R&B and hip-hop, including SWV, Xscape, Mariah Carey, Jermaine Dupri, and more
  • Experiences of watching Verzuz battles, including Gladys Knight & Patti LaBelle, Isley Brothers & Earth, Wind & Fire, DMX & Snoop Dogg
  • Recognition of women artists in music and the creation of Wild Girl Wednesdays
  • Black Twitter, social media culture, and their influence on music discourse
  • Social commentary about banned genres (hip-hop, go-go) in Washington, DC, and its racial implications
  • Reflections on black culture, side chick anthems, playlist curation, and iconic moments in black music
  • Listener/community engagement, favorite remixes, and calls for feedback
  • New Orleans second-line music and local record store adventures
  • The intertwining of Atlanta and New York music scenes, especially Jermaine Dupri and Bad Boy collaborations
  • Shoutouts to favorite music historians and guests, like Kipper Jones
  • The healing and transformative power of gospel house and club music
  • The importance of honoring music legends while they're still present

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Sir Daniel:

1, 2, 1 Sue, here we are.

Sir Daniel:

We are.

Jay Ray:

I just know I was like,

Sir Daniel:

I thought she was selling.

Sir Daniel:

I thought you were giving me directions now we're crowned down.

Sir Daniel:

Hey, what's up everybody.

Sir Daniel:

Welcome to cue points.

Sir Daniel:

This is a soft opening of a brand new show.

Sir Daniel:

I am DJ Sudan.

Sir Daniel:

What's

Jay Ray:

happening.

Jay Ray:

I am Jay Ray also known as Johnny Ray.

Jay Ray:

Kornegay the,

Sir Daniel:

the amen.

Sir Daniel:

And this is cue points, as I said before, this is, um, you know, I guess you and I,

Sir Daniel:

we were talking, it's been a hard year.

Sir Daniel:

The past year was ridiculous.

Sir Daniel:

It has been a super hard, super hard year for everybody.

Sir Daniel:

And I think the one thing that has kept us safe.

Sir Daniel:

And kept us afloat is music.

Sir Daniel:

Absolutely.

Sir Daniel:

And being a DJ, um, a vinyl collector and our co-host of this show, I know, you

Sir Daniel:

know, we have a connection around music.

Sir Daniel:

And so we were just talking about how much music has meant to us in this time.

Sir Daniel:

And wanting to have conversation around music.

Sir Daniel:

That's not necessarily like a hot, a hot take show or, you

Sir Daniel:

know, what's your top five dead or alive, you know, that's been done.

Sir Daniel:

I want to, I think I'd like to come from it from a place of appreciation, all

Sir Daniel:

the music that we've enjoyed over the years and different things that have

Sir Daniel:

come up from a historical standpoint.

Jay Ray:

What did you know?

Jay Ray:

I, I, I'm excited that we are embarking on this journey, you know, one of

Jay Ray:

the things, um, and it was last year.

Jay Ray:

Yeah.

Jay Ray:

Kind of mid last year when, um, I decided to start like researching various

Jay Ray:

moments in black music history and kind of doing the black music mixtape thing.

Jay Ray:

Yeah.

Jay Ray:

And, um, one, because I needed something.

Jay Ray:

Fill me up.

Jay Ray:

Um, so we've talked a lot about joy, right?

Jay Ray:

As it, as it relates to this, th this show that we're doing, I

Jay Ray:

needed something that filled me up.

Jay Ray:

And also I needed something to like occupy, um, this, this void of space.

Jay Ray:

Like I felt like there was something I needed to do.

Jay Ray:

That was a little bit more music related than what I was.

Jay Ray:

And, um, I'm excited that we're here doing this and, um, for those of you

Jay Ray:

that are watching and for those of you that are listening to the podcast, thank

Jay Ray:

you so much for taking this journey at whatever point you decide to come

Sir Daniel:

into the journey.

Sir Daniel:

Absolutely.

Sir Daniel:

I know a lot of, you know, this is a soft opening, like I said,

Sir Daniel:

and so we will work on other, on the platforms, other platforms.

Sir Daniel:

Cause not everybody likes Facebook, but we got.

Sir Daniel:

We got you and ed, can we invest in what you were saying about

Sir Daniel:

doing the stuff that gave you joy?

Sir Daniel:

I, it was like whenever I went out, the stuff that brought me happiness

Sir Daniel:

was going to the record store.

Sir Daniel:

As you can see,

Sir Daniel:

and collecting, you know, just collecting records, de.

Sir Daniel:

Dennis, I didn't care about like a financial value or this is a $50

Sir Daniel:

record to add to my collection.

Sir Daniel:

Now, nothing like that.

Sir Daniel:

It was about music.

Sir Daniel:

That meant something to me and made me happy.

Sir Daniel:

Yeah.

Sir Daniel:

Yes,

Jay Ray:

no, I'm right there with you.

Jay Ray:

Like it's interesting.

Jay Ray:

I joined a, um, a record club and it was the first time that I got in.

Jay Ray:

I mean, I have colored vinyl in my collection only because

Jay Ray:

like, but I looked up on it.

Jay Ray:

Like, it wasn't like something I was trying to have.

Jay Ray:

Right.

Jay Ray:

But I got one in the thing and I realized.

Jay Ray:

You know, the music for me, right.

Jay Ray:

Where you are, is about what I get from it.

Jay Ray:

Not about what it is I'm going to actually play this record.

Jay Ray:

You know what I'm saying?

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Like, it's not going to sit on the shelf and be like, Ooh, it's it's here.

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I'm going to play the record.

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And hopefully I can share that record or that joy from that

Sir Daniel:

record with other people.

Sir Daniel:

And speaking of playing, I had the, the pleasure of having my first.

Sir Daniel:

In-person gig two Fridays ago at this spot here in, um, in Atlanta

Sir Daniel:

called best in brewing company.

Sir Daniel:

Shout out to DJ Johnny normal and the crew over there.

Sir Daniel:

And the thank God, his vinyl crew, because that was.

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I got to be outside.

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I got to be with people and it was, it was so full of energy.

Sir Daniel:

Like people are starving to get back out there.

Sir Daniel:

And I don't know if you've been watching the news, but apparently if you've been

Sir Daniel:

vaccinated, oh, it's about to be on.

Sir Daniel:

And it's basically like they just, CDC just released the.

Sir Daniel:

Oh, the statement stating that if you've been vaccinated, you

Sir Daniel:

can be outdoors without a mask.

Sir Daniel:

You can be in some places without masks, if you're, if you're fully vaccinated.

Sir Daniel:

So as the kids say we out share

Jay Ray:

I'll cheer, listen, I'm fully vaccinated.

Jay Ray:

I'm headed to I'm traveling for the first time.

Jay Ray:

Um, for music traveling for the first time, literally.

Jay Ray:

Y'all I am getting on a plane, I'm packing up stuff and I'm getting on a

Jay Ray:

plane and I'm literally was only going to doing it because I'm going to dance.

Jay Ray:

I would've came home.

Jay Ray:

I'm staying the whole week, cause my birthday's coming up, but I literally

Jay Ray:

am only getting on the plane.

Jay Ray:

Cause Louie Vegas plan, I want to dance the Louie Vega.

Sir Daniel:

Like if you're an audio file, you have some Louie Vega

Sir Daniel:

has touched a record that you.

Sir Daniel:

He's such the remix.

Sir Daniel:

Matter of fact, I played, uh, um, Vanessa Williams.

Sir Daniel:

I've got work to do remit.

Sir Daniel:

At at the gig and that's the Louie Vega remix.

Sir Daniel:

Louie Vega is all over the place, but I'm glad you mentioned your

Sir Daniel:

birthday happy almost birthday.

Sir Daniel:

Um, let's get started.

Sir Daniel:

Like there's some big birthdays that have come up already

Sir Daniel:

because it's tourist season.

Sir Daniel:

So I, you know, shout out, shout out to all your tours is out there.

Sir Daniel:

Well, one of my favorite DJs and our mentors are here in Atlanta, DJ

Sir Daniel:

apple, Jack just had a birthday today.

Sir Daniel:

Today is a national holiday because it's Stevie Wonder's birthday.

Jay Ray:

Listen, seventy one seven, which is nuts that, uh, Stevie wonder is.

Jay Ray:

Only 71.

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Like it feels like Stevie wonder has been on the earth for forever.

Jay Ray:

And I'm so glad.

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And, and, and I'm so glad we're doing this show because we have to honor our

Jay Ray:

folks while they're here as Stevie wonder, give all the flour that we can find all

Jay Ray:

of them to Stevie today on his birthday.

Sir Daniel:

Favorite songs, Stevie wonder song.

Jay Ray:

Another star.

Jay Ray:

Um, um, oh God, there's so many.

Jay Ray:

Oh my God.

Jay Ray:

There's so many.

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Oh my God.

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Superwoman.

Jay Ray:

Um, I'm going to pick those two for now, but another star,

Sir Daniel:

another store is definitely on my top list.

Sir Daniel:

Um, do I, do I love to watch overjoy?

Jay Ray:

Oh, that's such a great tool

Sir Daniel:

and low key.

Sir Daniel:

I love what he do with Jermaine Jackson.

Sir Daniel:

Jamaica he made he, um, it was right.

Sir Daniel:

If you hadn't seen that.

Jay Ray:

I know I, of course I know what it is.

Jay Ray:

It's escaping me.

Jay Ray:

Who knows who's watching and who does it listen,

Sir Daniel:

but listen, he pulled out.

Sir Daniel:

He pulled out a Jermaine Jackson, the best CD one, the impersonation ever

Jay Ray:

loves D. Love Stevie.

Jay Ray:

We got a lot of stuff that we wanted to cover on this.

Jay Ray:

Um, uh, two with y'all tonight.

Jay Ray:

And one of the interesting things that has happened today, and this is really

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high level, but the rock and roll hall of fame inductees have been announced,

Sir Daniel:

the rock and roll hall of fame.

Sir Daniel:

Inductees.

Sir Daniel:

Can you believe that some people are just now getting their flowers?

Sir Daniel:

And it's wild.

Sir Daniel:

Like just, let's just go through the list real quick.

Sir Daniel:

So in the performer category, finally at the top of the list,

Sir Daniel:

Tina Turner is getting her propers

Jay Ray:

finally, as a solo act, she's, she's already inducted as

Jay Ray:

part of I can see Tina Turner, but she absolutely needs to be.

Jay Ray:

Then there is solo.

Sir Daniel:

Come on, give it up for the ass of queen Tina Turner.

Sir Daniel:

Yes, indeed.

Sir Daniel:

Um, Carol King.

Jay Ray:

Just getting into the rocket road.

Jay Ray:

Tapestry was for a long time.

Jay Ray:

One of the biggest selling records of all time, like you play tapestry Eva today.

Jay Ray:

Those are some of the most gorgeous songs you've ever heard.

Jay Ray:

And Carol King has just written these amazing tunes.

Jay Ray:

I was surprised.

Jay Ray:

I thought she was in like,

Sir Daniel:

she's pinned everything.

Sir Daniel:

She's been covered a million times.

Sir Daniel:

It's crazy.

Sir Daniel:

Now here's the controversial one, Jay Z. Some people are a little,

Sir Daniel:

you know, they got their panties in a bunch of little bit over JCB.

Jay Ray:

Totally deserves to be inducted like J um, in terms of impact.

Jay Ray:

Um, In terms of impact.

Jay Ray:

I mean, I just don't see how he couldn't be.

Jay Ray:

He needs to, he, yeah, this makes perfect sense.

Jay Ray:

And I'm guessing this is probably his first, his first availability

Jay Ray:

to be inducted, I would imagine.

Jay Ray:

Um, or it might, it might be a little over, but whatever.

Jay Ray:

No, 96.

Jay Ray:

So yeah, this is probably first time out.

Jay Ray:

JZ deserves it.

Jay Ray:

So sure.

Jay Ray:

Jay

Sir Daniel:

staying in the hip hop lane LL.

Sir Daniel:

The goats, the garden inducted.

Jay Ray:

Yup.

Jay Ray:

And under musical excellence, which I love.

Jay Ray:

So one of the things I noticed until I looked this up, but, um, the musical

Jay Ray:

excellence award are these folks that have been like pivotal that had

Jay Ray:

like really helped to shape music.

Jay Ray:

Absolutely deserves to be in there from a, from a MC standpoint.

Jay Ray:

Um, there is, he's one of those like forks in the road, um, from

Jay Ray:

that standpoint, so perfect choice.

Sir Daniel:

And now as a cultural cachet with rock the bells

Sir Daniel:

radio, where he's employing.

Sir Daniel:

Some of our hip-hop icons to be on the air.

Sir Daniel:

All of the iconic music from the past is being played continuously.

Sir Daniel:

So it's being loved on by the, by our generation that grew up on it.

Sir Daniel:

And now it's being rediscovered by the young ones coming up to gen Z's that

Sir Daniel:

are out there, you know, them have to be riding in the car with their mom and dad.

Sir Daniel:

And they're like, ah, I got to sit through rock the bells radio, but

Sir Daniel:

yes, you really you'll love it.

Sir Daniel:

You do.

Sir Daniel:

The love it.

Sir Daniel:

Can't forget our early influence awards.

Sir Daniel:

Gil Scott Heron

Jay Ray:

absolutely deserved.

Jay Ray:

I'm surprised this hasn't happened already.

Jay Ray:

I'm glad it's happening now.

Jay Ray:

Craft work, craft work.

Jay Ray:

I mean, okay.

Jay Ray:

Foundation

Sir Daniel:

records for hip hop

Jay Ray:

found literally foundation records.

Jay Ray:

Um, when you start thinking of the inspiration for, um, techno

Jay Ray:

and electro, all of that, that was happening in Detroit at the time,

Jay Ray:

Kraftwerk was so inspirational to those groups that created this music.

Jay Ray:

So, absolutely perfect.

Jay Ray:

Um, and one of my, uh, and, and, uh, one of my favorites, Billy Preston.

Jay Ray:

It's in the fifth beetle.

Jay Ray:

He's just

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was a thing.

Jay Ray:

One, um, just the black gay man, one and two, he was the fifth beetle and he is

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now being inducted into the rock and roll

Sir Daniel:

hall of fame.

Sir Daniel:

And he crossed over a lot of genres.

Sir Daniel:

He did gospel rock, you name it.

Sir Daniel:

He did it.

Sir Daniel:

And we can't forget that.

Sir Daniel:

Ahmet Ertegun award recipient is going to the black godfather himself.

Sir Daniel:

Clarence avant, if you deserved, if you haven't, if you don't know

Sir Daniel:

who Clarence avant is, please look up the movie on Netflix.

Sir Daniel:

Uh, the black godfather.

Sir Daniel:

It is a totally amazing, I think, uh, adult, um, adult Netflix.

Sir Daniel:

So, um, for you to check out a documentary so that you can get, um, And, you know,

Sir Daniel:

inducted and brought up on who Clarence is because a lot of people's careers he's

Sir Daniel:

responsible for putting in the morning.

Sir Daniel:

Absolutely.

Sir Daniel:

And thank you, Nikki darlin.

Sir Daniel:

We see you.

Sir Daniel:

Thank you for joining us.

Jay Ray:

Thank you so much.

Jay Ray:

That's my cousin.

Jay Ray:

Thank you.

Jay Ray:

Thank you.

Sir Daniel:

What our cousin?

Sir Daniel:

Oh, birthdays almost forgot.

Sir Daniel:

Almost forgot the queen.

Sir Daniel:

You see this red over here or over me?

Sir Daniel:

Yes.

Sir Daniel:

Oh, Saturday is the Queen's birthday.

Sir Daniel:

Janet Jackson.

Sir Daniel:

You're absolutely

Jay Ray:

right.

Jay Ray:

Oh my God.

Sir Daniel:

How could I even forget?

Sir Daniel:

How could I get that?

Sir Daniel:

Listen, Janet Jackson is responsible for a lot of, a lot of the

Sir Daniel:

women that we see performing.

Sir Daniel:

Now, the big girls that are running things.

Sir Daniel:

Janet Jackson is there inspiration

Jay Ray:

at point blank period and, and Janet musically.

Jay Ray:

And we don't talk about this a lot, and this is not, we got so much to

Jay Ray:

cover, but I want to say this really quickly, um, Janet Jackson, musically

Jay Ray:

is just some of the best melodies and vocal harmonies, but you can play them.

Jay Ray:

Janet Jackson records go back and played up Janie's extra records and

Jay Ray:

listen to Janet harmonize over Janet,

Sir Daniel:

which when you think about it back then when they

Sir Daniel:

were running everything on tape.

Sir Daniel:

And not did not run a bit through the co the laptop.

Sir Daniel:

They were running everything on tape.

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So if you messed up, you had to start it all over again.

Sir Daniel:

She did that harmonizing to herself.

Sir Daniel:

Boom.

Sir Daniel:

So everybody that has something to say about Janet Jackson, singing abilities.

Sir Daniel:

Come on, you might want to, you got

Jay Ray:

questions, you got questions.

Jay Ray:

And, and I think it was Jimmy jam who went on record and was like two of my

Jay Ray:

favorite background singers of all time, uh, uh, Ralph Tresvant and Janet J.

Jay Ray:

Well, because when you think about route Trezor and the same thing, like Ralph

Jay Ray:

is will rod will ride his own melody.

Sir Daniel:

Absolutely.

Sir Daniel:

Absolutely.

Sir Daniel:

So I said that to say, you know, again, Jan has paved the way for

Sir Daniel:

a lot of women in this industry.

Sir Daniel:

Um, whether it's a solo artist or groups, and that leads us to our

Sir Daniel:

major topic today, we, it was all over the news over the weekend.

Sir Daniel:

People are still talking about it.

Sir Daniel:

Now we're going to talk about the verses battle SWV versus escape.

Sir Daniel:

I'm not going to call it a battle like everybody else.

Sir Daniel:

I call it a celebration.

Sir Daniel:

It was, it looked beautiful aesthetically.

Sir Daniel:

Well, the one thing that I was wondering about was the sound, there was some

Sir Daniel:

issues with the sound going in and out cause we were getting, um, a lot

Sir Daniel:

of what was being played in the, in the theater and not being piped in.

Sir Daniel:

And I don't want to get too technical, but it makes a big difference.

Sir Daniel:

Cause if you heard what you heard, the, the Christmas and the quality

Sir Daniel:

of what, when the DJs were playing and we're going to get to that.

Sir Daniel:

And a second with the DJs were playing versus when the young ladies were

Sir Daniel:

singing, you could tell there was a difference, but other than that,

Sir Daniel:

I enjoyed it now really quickly.

Sir Daniel:

What's been your favorite verses, um, performances so far.

Sir Daniel:

Oh, that's a

Jay Ray:

good one.

Jay Ray:

Um, favorite versus favorite versus favorite versus.

Jay Ray:

Actually I really, really liked, um, the Gladys and Patty.

Jay Ray:

It made me feel really good.

Jay Ray:

I, in fact, I'm not, I might do this now.

Jay Ray:

I don't know if you want me to do this now, but this

Jay Ray:

verses felt really good to me.

Jay Ray:

It did.

Jay Ray:

So I was weird and this is my soap box.

Jay Ray:

This is, this is where I was weird about reading the social.

Jay Ray:

After well, one, I don't typically participate in the watching of stuff.

Jay Ray:

I think, you know this about me.

Jay Ray:

I'm not good with like Fanny stuff.

Jay Ray:

That's like happening in the moment.

Jay Ray:

I, because one, I can't pay attention to what you type in and then watch the thing.

Jay Ray:

And I just, I want to watch it when I want to watch it.

Jay Ray:

So I watched it after.

Jay Ray:

Gotcha.

Jay Ray:

I thoroughly one, I think there's two things.

Jay Ray:

There's two notes.

Jay Ray:

I want to make.

Jay Ray:

That people project, what they feel about.

Jay Ray:

Taj and Lee Lee's contribution to SWV on to Coco, but Coco wasn't giving that.

Jay Ray:

I didn't, I'm like, yo, we're seeing a thing that I, yeah, like she talked

Jay Ray:

about, Hey, I was off a little bit.

Jay Ray:

Cause some stuff happened personally, but as I was watching back the show, I

Jay Ray:

didn't feel like I wasn't seeing that.

Jay Ray:

And what I was watching.

Jay Ray:

Um, different groups with different styles of different personalities, do a thing.

Jay Ray:

The other thing that I loved about watching it was the

Jay Ray:

comradery of escape one.

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Came to play.

Jay Ray:

Like they came, they came to play.

Jay Ray:

I will love watching that they did.

Jay Ray:

And I loved watching Taj B Taj.

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And, and what I loved is you got a chance to see what I think.

Jay Ray:

If people wanted to see it, they got a chance to see what

Jay Ray:

makes SWV work on that stage.

Sir Daniel:

Absolutely.

Sir Daniel:

Everything you said is correct.

Sir Daniel:

Um, Shout out to again, cut me and cousin, Nikki.

Sir Daniel:

We right here as far as my favorite, um, versus so far the Isley

Sir Daniel:

brothers, death, Isley brothers and earth, wind and fire was.

Sir Daniel:

It w it didn't even feel like four hours.

Sir Daniel:

And the fact that we sat through four hours of it was amazing.

Sir Daniel:

So, you know, there was a reason why we sat through that.

Sir Daniel:

Um, I also enjoyed the Patty and Gladys, especially, especially when Dion came out.

Sir Daniel:

That was so classic.

Sir Daniel:

Chef's kiss.

Sir Daniel:

Definitely dope.

Sir Daniel:

But, um, yeah, I think those are my favorites.

Sir Daniel:

I agree with what you were saying.

Sir Daniel:

Um, we like to project, um, A lot of what we're feeling.

Sir Daniel:

I do like watching these events with Twitter as a family, as we like to call it

Sir Daniel:

black Twitter, because it's kind of fun.

Sir Daniel:

And a lot of people, you know, everybody becomes an ANR and a, and a, and a

Sir Daniel:

producer when they're watching the show, but it was a really great show.

Sir Daniel:

One of the things that I really appreciated.

Sir Daniel:

Where the DJ's a lot of people had hot takes about a one, but as somebody

Sir Daniel:

that understands, you know, deejaying is not just playing records, but,

Sir Daniel:

um, sharing energy, I get why age every, a one was hype and it, it

Sir Daniel:

helped to me, it really did help.

Sir Daniel:

And I really appreciated him.

Sir Daniel:

Now.

Sir Daniel:

I want to give a shout.

Sir Daniel:

So my brother, Darryl, train them.

Sir Daniel:

And I want you all to give him a shout out, give us a shout out because he and

Sir Daniel:

I single-handedly manifested spindarella being on that stage where SWV, I'm

Sir Daniel:

saying I'm taking the credit right now.

Sir Daniel:

We set it in his living room.

Sir Daniel:

We were saying he was talking about, um, who's going to be the DJ for the verses.

Sir Daniel:

And we both looked at each other.

Sir Daniel:

SWV.

Sir Daniel:

And we thought it was, and we, I mean, we said both said, spinner Rella for SWV.

Sir Daniel:

And we both started laughing because of the, you know, there's a little shady

Sir Daniel:

illness, um, in there because, so in purple of course, you know, infamously,

Sir Daniel:

uh, had a falling out with Cinderella, but they were also on a reality show with SWV.

Sir Daniel:

So we were just like, Ooh, that'd be so juicy.

Sir Daniel:

And.

Sir Daniel:

I'm a salt and pepper stand from 1985 trust.

Sir Daniel:

I love salt and pepper, but it was good.

Sir Daniel:

Seeing spinner relegate, absolutely get her props and people loving her,

Sir Daniel:

um, her set and just loving the fact that she was there and getting some

Sir Daniel:

shine because correct me if I'm wrong.

Sir Daniel:

Um, I think she may have so far be the only woman DJ.

Sir Daniel:

To spin a versus

Jay Ray:

I believe.

Jay Ray:

And, and, and in all fairness, I haven't seen all of them on

Jay Ray:

purpose, but I think you're right.

Jay Ray:

I have not.

Jay Ray:

Wow.

Jay Ray:

Shout out to spin, shout out, suspended, relay, and shout out

Jay Ray:

to both, um, SWV and escape.

Jay Ray:

I thoroughly enjoyed it.

Jay Ray:

I will say my, my interesting thing about versus.

Jay Ray:

Baby.

Jay Ray:

I'm a, I'm a get in and get out kind of guy.

Jay Ray:

Like I'm a gimme, gimme, gimme your top five SWV.

Jay Ray:

Give me your top five escape.

Jay Ray:

Perform the hell out of it and send me home.

Jay Ray:

You know what I'm saying?

Jay Ray:

But baby, when that's, when that hour and a half hit, I be like,

Jay Ray:

man, oh man, I am exhausted now.

Sir Daniel:

Well, you know what it is, right?

Sir Daniel:

We're the uncles we're like, look, Hey, y'all let's, let's get it.

Jay Ray:

Let's get this going.

Sir Daniel:

So I was seeing a lot of comments.

Sir Daniel:

A lot of people had a lot of energy around.

Sir Daniel:

People doing solo cuts, people doing performing songs that hit

Sir Daniel:

they'd written for other people.

Sir Daniel:

I have absolutely no issue with that whatsoever.

Jay Ray:

Zero, zero.

Jay Ray:

Like you like candy dropping.

Jay Ray:

You, you think I'm not perfect.

Jay Ray:

One it's Atlanta's ale.

Jay Ray:

I was like, Hmm.

Jay Ray:

That should happen.

Jay Ray:

I think, you know, folks, um, the other thing, these rigid rules or

Jay Ray:

these rigid parameters, I think that people put around these things

Jay Ray:

one, I think it makes it less fun.

Jay Ray:

Um, but also Stan culture is weird.

Jay Ray:

Y'all like, that is weird.

Jay Ray:

Where in fairness, um, I had an idea of the way I thought that

Jay Ray:

this verses would go and it didn't go the way that I thought.

Jay Ray:

Okay.

Jay Ray:

Um, but watching the way folks were interacting with each other after

Jay Ray:

it happened, it was just, even before it happened was just like,

Sir Daniel:

And I think if, you know, if you're in a certain age group, I

Sir Daniel:

would imagine, yes, regionally, we've got a group straight out of New York, or

Sir Daniel:

we got a grew straight out of Atlanta.

Sir Daniel:

So yes, there was going to be some regional competition, which as

Sir Daniel:

you know, our group in New York been living in Atlanta for years.

Sir Daniel:

So I claim.

Sir Daniel:

I claim both of them.

Sir Daniel:

I love them equally.

Sir Daniel:

I, you know, can we also talk about the feeling you get when you

Sir Daniel:

hear a remix from escape or SWV?

Sir Daniel:

Let me, let me share this story real quick.

Sir Daniel:

So we're going to talk about remixes.

Sir Daniel:

Oh, let's talk about this.

Sir Daniel:

Um, and I'm an age myself and I don't care SWV.

Sir Daniel:

His debut album is about time came out in 19 90, 1 91 92.

Sir Daniel:

Okay.

Sir Daniel:

So 92.

Sir Daniel:

So.

Sir Daniel:

I was a junior in high school.

Sir Daniel:

I was in 11th grade.

Sir Daniel:

So we had right here, the original version come out.

Sir Daniel:

Original

Jay Ray:

version was the first single y'all

Sir Daniel:

first single.

Sir Daniel:

Then we had I'm so NCU.

Sir Daniel:

Then we had downtown fast forward to my senior year.

Sir Daniel:

My prom, what?

Sir Daniel:

This is a whole nine.

Sir Daniel:

This is 1993.

Sir Daniel:

This is May, 1993.

Sir Daniel:

Shout out to all the graduates, um, for this year.

Sir Daniel:

This is May, 1993.

Sir Daniel:

We're at the Atlanta botanical gardens.

Sir Daniel:

And what is our prom song?

Sir Daniel:

Our slow song of the night, of course week, which is their ultimate showstopper.

Sir Daniel:

Yep.

Sir Daniel:

Now.

Sir Daniel:

Fast forward to 1995.

Sir Daniel:

We're at this point, I have dropped out.

Sir Daniel:

I've dropped out of Georgia state university.

Sir Daniel:

Um, I'm working at 18 T I I've tried to start some type of rap career.

Sir Daniel:

There's a whole lot of foolishness.

Sir Daniel:

I guess what was playing on the radio and on the videos, the all-star remix of

Sir Daniel:

anything SWV featuring the Wu Tang clan,

Sir Daniel:

we're talking 92 to 95, 1 album.

Sir Daniel:

And all of that is thanks to really great remixes.

Jay Ray:

Yup.

Jay Ray:

Yup.

Jay Ray:

And Lely talked about that and the verses as well, talking about the

Jay Ray:

reason behind, you know, the producers really wanting to do, you know,

Jay Ray:

versions that were hit different markets and really trying to think

Jay Ray:

about and getting other people involved.

Jay Ray:

You know, you get Teddy Riley involved, uh, you know, for rail

Jay Ray:

before we knew who for rail was, you know what I'm saying in the mix.

Jay Ray:

So really thinking through the beauty of.

Jay Ray:

One that album, uh, you have right here as the first single, and then they rerelease

Jay Ray:

it remix and it becomes the biggest single at that moment that they had

Sir Daniel:

released from the big really soundtrack

Jay Ray:

from the big Willie soundtrack.

Jay Ray:

And then, so we have soundtracks.

Jay Ray:

So we got sound because even, um, so it was funny.

Jay Ray:

So there's a, there's a note in there where, um, Canada.

Jay Ray:

It was like, oh, the above the rim soundtrack, but actually

Jay Ray:

that song was on another

Sir Daniel:

park basketball movies.

Jay Ray:

And so thinking about one.

Jay Ray:

I miss records.

Jay Ray:

I miss records that have like a life that kind of grow.

Jay Ray:

Um, I'm just, I miss remixes a lot, like a lie.

Sir Daniel:

Well, pause.

Sir Daniel:

Let's not forget, not for nothing.

Sir Daniel:

Let's not leave escape out of the conversation around mixes because Jermaine

Sir Daniel:

Dupri, I'm going to give him his props.

Sir Daniel:

No later for what he was saying about the women MCs of today are, you know,

Sir Daniel:

that was kind of a hot take on his part.

Sir Daniel:

But when we want to talk about giving out props for remixes and

Sir Daniel:

allowing records to breathe and just giving a hip hop sensibility.

Sir Daniel:

So Mariah Carey, who would have, who would have ever thought to put

Sir Daniel:

the bread and the Mariah Carey on a record together, but Jermaine.

Jay Ray:

Baby like Mariah, first of all, Mariah and Jermaine.

Jay Ray:

And I posted this once.

Jay Ray:

I think I put up sweetheart and I was like, Mariah Carey, Jermaine, Dupri.

Jay Ray:

We're just a match made in heaven that, and what I loved about it, and I

Jay Ray:

think this was the thing and what came across one with the SWV songs and the

Jay Ray:

remixes and the escape songs and the remixes and all these, the Mariah stuff.

Jay Ray:

Folks we're enjoying each other and trusting that, remember

Jay Ray:

the Mariah at the top of, uh, I think it was the honey remix.

Jay Ray:

If Jermaine likes it, that the bread is a, he, do you know what I'm saying?

Jay Ray:

It's

Sir Daniel:

like, there you go.

Sir Daniel:

There you go.

Sir Daniel:

And it's, it's a history and.

Sir Daniel:

Well, this is new to y'all, but Jay ran, I've talked about this.

Sir Daniel:

There's an intertwining of when we're talking about Jermaine, Dupri

Sir Daniel:

and music that was coming out of Atlanta in the early to mid nineties,

Sir Daniel:

there's the intertwine between Jermaine Dupri and, and say Diddy.

Sir Daniel:

Definitely, definitely Diddy.

Sir Daniel:

They produce for each others, artists, they submitted remixes

Sir Daniel:

for each other's artists.

Sir Daniel:

They had features from each other's artists on each other's labels.

Sir Daniel:

It was just this cross connection going on between.

Sir Daniel:

So-so definitely bad boy.

Sir Daniel:

So they truly were running things in the nineties.

Sir Daniel:

And I think that's why you still have, you can have an appreciation.

Sir Daniel:

Yeah.

Sir Daniel:

In every region for both of these groups.

Sir Daniel:

So I think that was the, the loveliness that came out of this versus, and,

Sir Daniel:

um, oh, it just came to my mind.

Sir Daniel:

Another, um, another verses that are thoroughly enjoyed

Sir Daniel:

was the DMX and Snoop Dogg.

Sir Daniel:

So resting rest in peace to DMX.

Sir Daniel:

That was a fun one.

Sir Daniel:

That was a lot of fun.

Sir Daniel:

Definitely.

Sir Daniel:

I gotta, I got

Jay Ray:

to go back and watch.

Jay Ray:

That was one of the ones I haven't seen, but I will go back to that one out.

Sir Daniel:

And so, and I got to give it to also got to give it to

Sir Daniel:

Jermaine Dupri for his openness, to working with women artists as well.

Sir Daniel:

Because if let's talk about it, who was Jermaine?

Sir Daniel:

Depree's very first group.

Jay Ray:

Ah, so was it sometimes leather?

Sir Daniel:

Boom.

Sir Daniel:

There you go.

Jay Ray:

You know what I'm saying?

Jay Ray:

I'm going to pull out some, so Tom's leather up in here.

Jay Ray:

I got it over here.

Sir Daniel:

I got it soon.

Sir Daniel:

And you know that and you know me.

Sir Daniel:

And so I, that's another thing about this versus I think this is might've been the

Sir Daniel:

LAR the, no, we had brand new Monica.

Sir Daniel:

We had, that was used to SWV and escape.

Sir Daniel:

I liked, I just liked seeing these women get their props.

Sir Daniel:

Cause a lot of times when we're having these conversations

Sir Daniel:

around music, a lot of the times.

Sir Daniel:

The women get left out or they have to, they create these

Sir Daniel:

lists specifically for women.

Sir Daniel:

And then it's a very small and curated lists.

Sir Daniel:

Like there's not other people that exist.

Sir Daniel:

You know, if you, you always talk about when people start talking about

Sir Daniel:

their top five, Dead or alive MCs.

Sir Daniel:

It's always, it's always the same and nobody ever throws in sometimes, you

Sir Daniel:

know, they might say, okay, well, what about the women literally be like an

Sir Daniel:

afterthought afterthought and it's stuff like that is the reason why.

Sir Daniel:

I'm going to be bringing back my open, my life mixed.

Sir Daniel:

So it's rebranded.

Sir Daniel:

It's called wild girl Wednesdays.

Jay Ray:

Wow.

Jay Ray:

Girl.

Jay Ray:

There's days

Sir Daniel:

where I play nothing, but the dolls I'm talking about any and

Sir Daniel:

every woman you can think of, um, every genre we talking it'll be spanning

Sir Daniel:

throughout different generations.

Sir Daniel:

So just keep your eyes open for that.

Sir Daniel:

That's going to be coming soon.

Sir Daniel:

Um, So the restream audience as well.

Sir Daniel:

So I'm excited about that.

Sir Daniel:

It's just been a really great week.

Sir Daniel:

Yes,

Jay Ray:

USIC wise.

Jay Ray:

It has.

Jay Ray:

Um, and we're going to talk about some stuff that we're loving, but.

Jay Ray:

Well, I think the beautiful thing about music is that one it's always there for

Jay Ray:

us, you know, with whatever we are going through in particular, when we're going

Jay Ray:

through something difficult, right.

Jay Ray:

We can always put on a song.

Jay Ray:

And I'm actually curious for those folks that are listening or

Jay Ray:

watching, what are some of, what were some of your favorite songs?

Jay Ray:

That got played during the verses between SWV and escape.

Jay Ray:

I'm really curious to know what songs y'all dig, but, um,

Jay Ray:

yeah, no really good musical.

Sir Daniel:

Absolutely.

Sir Daniel:

And I think there was something that you wanted to share.

Sir Daniel:

I'll wait, let me do this.

Sir Daniel:

Let me tell y'all something about this guy.

Sir Daniel:

What this weight that, yeah, this guy right here.

Sir Daniel:

So.

Sir Daniel:

If you want to talk about being an audio file or somebody that stores

Sir Daniel:

information, sometimes I will just look at him and be like, why do you know that?

Sir Daniel:

Why, why do you know that?

Sir Daniel:

Okay, so go ahead.

Sir Daniel:

Oh,

Jay Ray:

school us.

Jay Ray:

I love.

Jay Ray:

Random facts.

Jay Ray:

And so when we were sitting down for this show, I'm going to make this really quick.

Jay Ray:

In fact, hold on, I gotta, I gotta pull up my thing cause I gotta,

Jay Ray:

there's something I need to read.

Jay Ray:

Okay.

Jay Ray:

But I'm, we're going to stay in the SWV bag for a moment.

Jay Ray:

All right.

Jay Ray:

So 1993, um, SWV.

Jay Ray:

Um, so couple of things happened so on July 10th, 1999, Um, weak hit number one.

Jay Ray:

Um, so now this is their first official number one.

Jay Ray:

So I'm so into you was at the top 10 week hits number one and it

Jay Ray:

stays in number one for two weeks.

Jay Ray:

So this is July 10th week, 1993.

Jay Ray:

We kids number one around that same time, July two.

Jay Ray:

As WB drops the right here, remix the human nature remix, right?

Jay Ray:

Same day.

Jay Ray:

So we, a number one new singles dropping.

Jay Ray:

Right.

Jay Ray:

We have been, we could we've dropped in like April, so, you

Jay Ray:

know, stuff traveled, you know, it take, it took a minute that week.

Jay Ray:

So on July 14th, SWV.

Jay Ray:

So they happen to be on the summer Fest.

Jay Ray:

Um, and that week, so on July 14th, this is four days after

Jay Ray:

their number once a week.

Jay Ray:

It's number one, they are in Washington, DC right here.

Jay Ray:

Hasn't blown up yet.

Jay Ray:

It's going to become their biggest single and one of the biggest singles

Jay Ray:

of the year, but it hasn't happened yet.

Jay Ray:

So July 14th, SWV is in Washington, DC performing at Summerfest.

Jay Ray:

And I want to read what this, this is a funny quote.

Jay Ray:

So I want to read this.

Jay Ray:

This is from the Washington.

Jay Ray:

SWV, AKA sisters with voices was especially impressive working for

Jay Ray:

the first time with a band instead of with recorded rhythm tracks

Jay Ray:

and ultimate alternately sounding girlish Lee, in a sense on the

Jay Ray:

number one hit week and on I'm.

Jay Ray:

So into you sexually aggressive on the highly suggestive, downtown and

Jay Ray:

gospel bread on just about everything.

Jay Ray:

Right.

Jay Ray:

Hold on his lessons with the help of three dancers who specialized in a

Jay Ray:

fragrantly exotic brand of aerobics, the trio managed to keep the crowd dancing

Jay Ray:

and singing for the duration of the set.

Jay Ray:

So

Jay Ray:

this is the way people would write about black.

Jay Ray:

At that time.

Jay Ray:

Right.

Jay Ray:

Uh, wonder why, right.

Jay Ray:

So this is, so this is the, this is the time and place that we're in.

Jay Ray:

And I wanted to set this because here's, what's interesting

Jay Ray:

is not the interesting part.

Jay Ray:

Here's what's interesting about this night.

Jay Ray:

Um, so on this summer Fest tour show, this show specifically is Jade H tile.

Jay Ray:

Wow.

Jay Ray:

Jade, H town silk shop.

Jay Ray:

And SWV.

Jay Ray:

Wow.

Jay Ray:

So this ain't it yet.

Jay Ray:

Here it is.

Jay Ray:

Summerfest actually had two headlining acts that did not perform on this show.

Jay Ray:

Those two headlining acts were LL cool.

Jay Ray:

J who is an icon by 1993.

Jay Ray:

This is after mama said, knock you out.

Jay Ray:

He was eight years into his celebrity.

Jay Ray:

He is a bonafide superstar, mellow.

Jay Ray:

Movie star LL.

Jay Ray:

Cool.

Jay Ray:

J is a star.

Jay Ray:

So LL cool.

Jay Ray:

J's a headliner naughty by nature is the other group.

Jay Ray:

So here's what happened.

Jay Ray:

Here's what

Sir Daniel:

happened.

Sir Daniel:

Go ahead.

Sir Daniel:

Finish

Jay Ray:

where this show was being performed in Washington DC at the

Jay Ray:

convention center wrap was bang.

Sir Daniel:

Wow.

Sir Daniel:

Your

Jay Ray:

two biggest stars at that moment.

Jay Ray:

So naughty by nature is like hip hop array is like a patrol out by then.

Jay Ray:

Absolutely.

Jay Ray:

They are literally like cashing checks left and right.

Jay Ray:

Yeah.

Jay Ray:

Because 1993 was the second album and the first record had already

Jay Ray:

blown up and then they got the second record, which went crazy.

Jay Ray:

Ray was outta there, outta here.

Jay Ray:

And you got LL cool J on the same ticket.

Jay Ray:

Neither one of them could perform y'all because at that moment in hip,

Jay Ray:

I forgot about this time in hip hop, because hip hop is now the culture.

Sir Daniel:

Yup.

Sir Daniel:

And we had C Delores Tucker.

Sir Daniel:

What was the Reverend that was running over CDs and albums.

Jay Ray:

Exactly.

Jay Ray:

You got tipper gore out there.

Jay Ray:

Like we got to put stuff,

Sir Daniel:

stickers, sticker on the albums.

Sir Daniel:

Yes.

Jay Ray:

That was tipper gore.

Jay Ray:

Al Gore's wife.

Jay Ray:

Tipper gore was, that was, that was who led that effort.

Jay Ray:

So.

Jay Ray:

What was so interesting is you have one SWV who are just blowing up.

Jay Ray:

They are at the beginning of January.

Jay Ray:

I'm so into you comes out and that's their big, that's their big hit, you know, then

Jay Ray:

we comes and it becomes their vigor and they're about to have their biggest one.

Jay Ray:

So SWV is at the beginning of their stardom, and then you have LL cool J who's

Jay Ray:

a veteran by then and naughty by nature.

Jay Ray:

So all these people and all Jane and all these folks.

Jay Ray:

On this tour, but the rappers can't play because rap band

Sir Daniel:

is banned in DC of all places, Washington, DC, the

Sir Daniel:

blackest city in the nation.

Sir Daniel:

You know, what else was

Jay Ray:

banned now that you said that.

Jay Ray:

Gogo was also banned Washington DC's own Gogo was banned at the convention center.

Jay Ray:

You couldn't play rap music there and you couldn't play go-go there.

Jay Ray:

So you want to talk about how racism man, how racism shows up and how it manifests.

Jay Ray:

And people will say it was because of the elements and it was because of this.

Jay Ray:

I hear all of that, but what I also hear is y'all don't want black.

Jay Ray:

Uh, doing that in here.

Sir Daniel:

Listen.

Sir Daniel:

Wow.

Sir Daniel:

Thank you for that.

Sir Daniel:

First of all, because we, I think people needed to know that and to realize how

Sir Daniel:

life is singular and, um, how things are just repeating themselves, because go

Sir Daniel:

again is it was being endangered by the elements in DC that was, um, attacking

Sir Daniel:

DC culture was attacking go-go music and that all stems from white supremacy.

Sir Daniel:

So let's just put that out there.

Sir Daniel:

So thank you for that.

Sir Daniel:

I don't.

Sir Daniel:

I still don't know why you know that, but thank you for knowing that we need to sit

Sir Daniel:

here, that we all needed to hear that.

Sir Daniel:

So thank you.

Sir Daniel:

You're welcome.

Sir Daniel:

Um, yeah, just thinking back about, you know, what moments like that.

Sir Daniel:

If we had social media back then, I can only imagine.

Sir Daniel:

The, the tweets black Twitter would have been on fire.

Jay Ray:

Lost it.

Jay Ray:

Cause people would've showed up at that show.

Jay Ray:

Oh, not showing up because it was, it was reported ahead of time.

Jay Ray:

So you can actually y'all can pull these pieces from the Washington post archive.

Jay Ray:

Uh, cause there were two pieces, one leading up to it saying

Jay Ray:

L ain't going to be there.

Jay Ray:

And the promoter was like, even if they're promoting.

Jay Ray:

I was like, even if they did allow rap, I wasn't going to let the naughty

Jay Ray:

by the nature and LL performing, even though I like L L he can

Jay Ray:

perform he, no, because the element that would come, I don't want it.

Jay Ray:

My stuff

Sir Daniel:

black suitor would have canceled, found out who their promoter

Sir Daniel:

was and canceled him and just put them completely on blast online.

Sir Daniel:

But, um, This week was no different on black Twitter at all.

Sir Daniel:

Social, just social media period.

Sir Daniel:

Social media has been, you know, it does a lot for music.

Sir Daniel:

It's a, it's a double-edged swore sword.

Sir Daniel:

And so yeah, this weekend, social media, like very, why are we like this?

Sir Daniel:

Why are we like this?

Sir Daniel:

Okay.

Sir Daniel:

So this is, I don't even know how this got.

Sir Daniel:

Yes, this is a music podcast, visual podcast, but.

Sir Daniel:

You guys made this part of our part.

Sir Daniel:

So if you've been living under a rock, you've heard the news, the breaking

Sir Daniel:

news, that Porsha Williams granddaughter or great-granddaughter granddaughter

Sir Daniel:

of Hosea Williams, civil rights icon.

Sir Daniel:

And star real Housewives, just completely shattered.

Sir Daniel:

Twitter, broke the internet when it was announced that she is not involved

Sir Daniel:

with a once married man to her friend, a man who's married a friend because

Sir Daniel:

she saying we will never forget

Jay Ray:

all of that.

Jay Ray:

So, yeah.

Sir Daniel:

So in record time, you guys look at what you did shomes

Sir Daniel:

area and look at what you did.

Sir Daniel:

Look what you guys put in.

Sir Daniel:

Chat her up posted this.

Sir Daniel:

There is a Porsche's current playlist running around and I'm pretty certain

Sir Daniel:

this on all the platforms right now, but it's got all the sidekick anthems on

Sir Daniel:

there from SWV and escape because they gave us a lot of side chick anthems,

Sir Daniel:

including you and my little secret.

Sir Daniel:

Then there's the classic.

Sir Daniel:

Um, as we

Jay Ray:

lay, as we lay Shirley Murdock from Dayton, Ohio,

Sir Daniel:

you know what I'm saying?

Sir Daniel:

And, um, uh, let me come to you, woman to woman.

Jay Ray:

Come on, man.

Sir Daniel:

Come on army.

Sir Daniel:

Listen, Shirley Brown, all of that stuff.

Sir Daniel:

You guys, why are we like this?

Jay Ray:

I listen.

Jay Ray:

I here's what I love.

Jay Ray:

Here's what I love about us.

Jay Ray:

And I'm talking about black culture, black people, period.

Jay Ray:

Specifically us.

Jay Ray:

What I love is we knew this about ourselves before there was black

Jay Ray:

Twitter, but black Twitter just isn't.

Jay Ray:

This is why this is why we were able, this is why we are able to get through

Jay Ray:

because baby, baby, we is on it.

Jay Ray:

Like on it, baby.

Jay Ray:

We got a playlist for you for Porsche,

Sir Daniel:

but it's a slapping playlist too, though.

Sir Daniel:

It's got some bops on there.

Sir Daniel:

Listen.

Sir Daniel:

I could probably, yeah, I've listened to a lot of those songs anyway.

Sir Daniel:

And so yeah, you guys never changed.

Sir Daniel:

That's all I'm going to say, please don't ever change and make sure you

Sir Daniel:

come and join us each and every week for, um, for two points, because

Sir Daniel:

we're going to have fun conversations just like this, but before we go,

Sir Daniel:

Jerry, I need you to put me on, man.

Sir Daniel:

I need you to.

Sir Daniel:

I

Jay Ray:

got you.

Jay Ray:

I got you.

Jay Ray:

I got you.

Jay Ray:

So y'all this week.

Jay Ray:

So I joined a record club, shout out, shout out to rainbow

Jay Ray:

records in Newark Delaware.

Jay Ray:

Um, there's a Newark Delaware and a Newark New Jersey.

Jay Ray:

They are two very different places.

Jay Ray:

Let's be very clear about that.

Jay Ray:

So, Down in Newark Delaware, rainbow records are part of this record clubs.

Jay Ray:

So I got three records in the mail and, um, it's really two, but they

Jay Ray:

gave me a bonus, which was fun.

Jay Ray:

And one of, and one of the records that was in there was

Jay Ray:

from Y know, any of the groups.

Jay Ray:

One of them was from, um, this group called child.

Jay Ray:

And it would be the name of the album was my people.

Jay Ray:

I was living for the cover.

Jay Ray:

So the cover is right.

Jay Ray:

Bring it over.

Jay Ray:

Hold

Sir Daniel:

on.

Sir Daniel:

Oh, no problem.

Sir Daniel:

Hey, what's up Kipper.

Sir Daniel:

Listen, I know you love it too.

Sir Daniel:

Shout out to Kipper Jones.

Sir Daniel:

We need to get Kipper on here because it needs to be on here, bro.

Sir Daniel:

I mean, Kipper is a walking encyclopedia in history book himself.

Sir Daniel:

Listen, this is giving y'all.

Sir Daniel:

He's giving y'all some of your favorite bops.

Jay Ray:

He's giving you some of your favorite

Sir Daniel:

by your favorites.

Sir Daniel:

Fav, let's be clear about that.

Jay Ray:

So this, um, shall we a Chihuahua?

Jay Ray:

Um, uh, Hey, can recovers of rehearsal, but he wouldn't shove it.

Jay Ray:

I love it.

Jay Ray:

So, um, my people this record, here's what I love.

Jay Ray:

Um, one it's new Orleans second line.

Jay Ray:

Okay.

Jay Ray:

Um, the first records of new Orleans, new Orleans, second

Jay Ray:

line music that I've had that.

Jay Ray:

Officially owned.

Jay Ray:

Like I've had songs on other stuff, but this is like the first record

Jay Ray:

that I've owned and it's so good.

Jay Ray:

Like y'all, it feels in this time and when it's a colored vinyl, which I thought

Jay Ray:

was fun, but it's like a Mardi Gras situation that you can't even see it.

Jay Ray:

Like, it's hard to know.

Jay Ray:

But, um, it's, it's an amazing record.

Jay Ray:

I highly recommend this.

Jay Ray:

It feels really good.

Jay Ray:

It is black culture.

Jay Ray:

It is new Orleans and, um, highly recommend this.

Jay Ray:

So DJ, sir, Daniel get chihuahuas my people.

Jay Ray:

And so DJ, sir, Daniel says, I put you on, you gotta put me on.

Sir Daniel:

Okay.

Sir Daniel:

So, and mind you, what we're going to do is, um, you're going to be able to

Sir Daniel:

see everything that we talk about, um, as far as what we put you on to where

Sir Daniel:

we put each other onto, we're going to post a video or link to the music

Sir Daniel:

so that you can have access to it.

Sir Daniel:

So, you know, I'm, I like old style.

Sir Daniel:

I like classics, right?

Sir Daniel:

And I don't even know how I even got on this kick for this particular record.

Sir Daniel:

I think I was at a record store in Clarkston and I found the

Sir Daniel:

album of this particular artist.

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And I was like, you know what I remember, this is, this was a real,

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this was a slap, this, this was a bomb.

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And so I said, you know, I'm going to get this.

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I got it home.

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I liked the album version, but I knew that there was an extended version

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that I want to play during a set.

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So I went on Discogs and I found the single, the 12 inch.

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I found out that the person, the, the distributor that had it was a

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local, um, had a local store here.

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So I said, oh, bump that shipping and handling, I'm going down.

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I'm going down to the store and pick this up today because I have to have this.

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And I'm really, as you can see, I'm really bad.

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Like if I see some vinyl that I have to, I'm going to get it

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right then and there anyway.

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So, yeah, our guy dressing like, yup.

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I'm boxing.

Sir Daniel:

You get me.

Sir Daniel:

This is going, oh, this, this next set is going to slack.

Sir Daniel:

It's going to, it's going to give everybody the feels.

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It's going to have people.

Sir Daniel:

It's going to have people twirling, twirling, twirling.

Sir Daniel:

You are going to twirl when you hear this record.

Sir Daniel:

Right.

Sir Daniel:

So I get down.

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Mask on and everything.

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I'll knock.

Sir Daniel:

I goes through the door and before I can even open the door,

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there's a big sign on there.

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There are not open to public shopping.

Sir Daniel:

You have to call and order ahead and or go online and make your order.

Sir Daniel:

I said, you know what, dude, you ain't said nothing about a word.

Sir Daniel:

I'm calling the number as I'm walking back to the, to the car, Cause he need

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record y'all

Sir Daniel:

cause I need this record.

Sir Daniel:

I gotta have it.

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So I'm calling in and the guy answers the phone and he, you know, we go

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through the credit card information.

Sir Daniel:

It's really an, this piece of vinyl is Super.

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cheap But it, but it means a lot.

Jay Ray:

Right?

Sir Daniel:

So to me, right.

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So I'm like, I would've paid such and such for it, but I'm going to

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pay these little, you know, these couple dollars here for this record.

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So he's about to put he said uhhh Wait, Hey, what'd you say?

Sir Daniel:

Talking to somebody in the background.

Sir Daniel:

Oh, oh, I'm sorry, sir. It looks, it looks like there's been a

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mistake and we don't have it.

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And I'm just, I'm sitting there in a car.

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I wanted to say, do you guys know that I'm right outside your door right now?

Sir Daniel:

I need this record, but I'm just like, you know what?

Sir Daniel:

It's okay.

Sir Daniel:

I'm going to, I'm just going to find it someplace else.

Sir Daniel:

Do you know the record that ended?

Sir Daniel:

Follow up.

Sir Daniel:

I have found it and it is at another place here in the surrounding Metro area.

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It's almost an hour away from where I live, but I am going to drive out there.

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And the trip road trip is several records and it's, I'm getting

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this record that they have.

Sir Daniel:

Anyway, you guys, you probably gonna think I'm crazy.

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When I tell you who this artist is, you may not even know when

Sir Daniel:

I tell you who the artist is.

Sir Daniel:

When I say it, the artist's name is

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And the name of the song is fall down.

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Now some of y'all are looking like who's right at the time when this record,

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this record was popping in 86, it was really popping in the clubs Tremaine.

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Is Tremaine Harkins

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from the gospel dynasty, the Hawkins dynasty I'm talking to

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like her brother is Edwin Hawkins.

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Oh, happy day, harken.

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Wow.

Sir Daniel:

That Harkins,

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if you have the opportunity and I'm going to put a link up to the song so you can

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hear it and you will hear it on wild girl, Wednesdays at some point, this song.

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Literally is joyful.

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The message.

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If you're not, if you're not a churchy person, I get it.

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I'm not in, I'm not a churchy person, either.

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The song don't Creech, it's got, it's definitely in the

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lyrics, but it's not preachy.

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Yeah.

Sir Daniel:

Uh, it's definitely a disco club beat.

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And it's amazing.

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These producers that are created these records back then they

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have their feet in both worlds.

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Absolutely.

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The secular world, and they had their feet in the, in the clubs, the Clark system.

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The Clark sisters, biggest hit is what you brought the sunshine.

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And

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it was in the clubs.

Sir Daniel:

There was clubs now, and it will go off.

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So I just, I don't even know how I got on that rent, but Tremaine.

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And if you're looking for it, do not put in Charmaine hockey.

Sir Daniel:

It's just Tremaine.

Sir Daniel:

I don't know.

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And that may be something for me to look into.

Sir Daniel:

I don't know if it was something strategically done to not turn off

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new listeners because she might've been associated with gospel, but

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she was just known as Tremaine.

Sir Daniel:

And that Jay Ray is the song I'm putting you onto this.

Sir Daniel:

Yeah.

Sir Daniel:

Got it.

Sir Daniel:

And listen, you're coming here today.

Sir Daniel:

So you would appreciate, I wouldn't be surprised if you hear

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this record over the weekend.

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Mark.

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My words, if I was a betting, man, I guarantee you one of those DJs,

Sir Daniel:

Louie Vega, who else was playing?

Sir Daniel:

Uh,

Jay Ray:

I don't know.

Jay Ray:

It's two other DJs.

Jay Ray:

I don't know.

Jay Ray:

I can't remember their names though, but listen.

Sir Daniel:

It's a major house set.

Sir Daniel:

I know that.

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And though, and, and these records could be played in these sets.

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That's why you can have a Kenny Bobi in today.

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You can have a Ricky Diller, the new G drops something that's gospel, but the

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DJs or we'll, we'll slap a beat under that and put it out there for people to dance.

Sir Daniel:

But that's for another show.

Jay Ray:

Ooh, we gotta talk about that.

Jay Ray:

Cause that is, that's a whole thing.

Jay Ray:

That's well, first of all, gospel house and club, it's, it's a

Jay Ray:

thing y'all, it's a whole thing.

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And if you've never danced or if you've never danced to it, it's, it changes

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things.

Sir Daniel:

It really does.

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It changes your perspective and it makes everything okay for that time for whatever

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it is you're going through at that moment.

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And that's what music does.

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That's an absolutely listen, before we get out of here, I got to remind

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people or we want your feedback.

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We talked a lot about remixes today.

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Email us at Q the letter Q. Points P R I N T S the show@gmail.com.

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And what do we want?

Sir Daniel:

We want to ask them something generic.

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We want them to know what is your, we want to know.

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What is your favorite remix ever?

Jay Ray:

What is your favorite remix ever

Sir Daniel:

for me?

Sir Daniel:

I think the one that changed the game immediately changed everything.

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V. Um, what was it called?

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But the, I want to be down to remix.

Jay Ray:

Oh, oh, that changed.

Jay Ray:

Wow.

Jay Ray:

And so Kipper just left.

Jay Ray:

So that's really funny that that would be a one Keppra

Jay Ray:

Jones roads I want to be down.

Sir Daniel:

Yup.

Sir Daniel:

Um, I did their remix changed the game.

Jay Ray:

It literally did because, so it's funny.

Jay Ray:

I'm thinking about what my favorite remix is, but that remix literally changed

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everything because remember, after that remit, Flavor and your ear came,

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which was literally, oh, wait a minute.

Jay Ray:

The flavor in your ear.

Jay Ray:

Come first.

Jay Ray:

I can't remember that.

Jay Ray:

It might, it was around the same

Sir Daniel:

time, you know?

Sir Daniel:

So flavoring your air came first because I want to be down with a 95.

Jay Ray:

Exactly.

Jay Ray:

Yeah.

Sir Daniel:

Yeah.

Sir Daniel:

Both directed by hight Williams videos.

Sir Daniel:

Don't both directed by hype Williams.

Jay Ray:

Absolutely.

Jay Ray:

So just thinking about the importance of having one.

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Collectives.

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So these like groups of these people who you loved coming together, that

Jay Ray:

I want to be down remix with LA and light and yo-yo is just like crazy

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when they, when they, when they performance today, I bet you, I

Sir Daniel:

bet you, you have to pay them extra.

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Actually to perform that only because they know that people are going

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to go berserk when they hear that.

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So if there's a remix that makes you feel this way, we want to hear about it, send

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it to, um, cue points, the show@gmail.com.

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And listen, if you want to put me in Jay Ray onto some news and

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some, some music, Hey, feel free to put us on to that as well.

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We want to know, I know we're setting us up for we're setting ourselves up here.

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Because God knows its email is just as bad as being in a supermarket parking lot.

Sir Daniel:

And some somebody running up to you saying, Hey, Hey, listen to rap.

Sir Daniel:

I got a CD, but no, we want, we want you to tell us your, put us on, put us on to

Sir Daniel:

some news or, oh, sometimes you read this.

Jay Ray:

Absolutely.

Jay Ray:

And, um, I just want to thank y'all as well.

Jay Ray:

Like thank y'all so much for like, rocking with this show and, and we're

Jay Ray:

looking forward to, um, having y'all rock with us a week next week as well.

Jay Ray:

So tell people, tell people about

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this.

Sir Daniel:

I think put it in your socials.

Sir Daniel:

I know you see me out there on muscle.

Sir Daniel:

It's right here.

Sir Daniel:

DJ, sir. Daniel he's Jay Ray, is the name, follow us all the time.

Sir Daniel:

Listen, we had a great time.

Sir Daniel:

I enjoyed this Jay Ray.

Sir Daniel:

This is cue points.

Sir Daniel:

This is

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viewpoints.

Jay Ray:

This is, oh my goodness.

Jay Ray:

It's beautiful.

Jay Ray:

And done.

Jay Ray:

We did it.

Sir Daniel:

We're not too old, grumpy old man talking about the good old days.

Sir Daniel:

We, we really enjoy music and want people to enjoy it too.

Sir Daniel:

So until next time,

Jay Ray:

till next time y'all face.

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DJ Sir Daniel is a DJ/Selector and part of Atlanta's, all-vinyl crew, Wax Fundamentals. Co-host of the Queue Points podcast, he is an advocate for DJ culture and is passionate about creating atmospheres of inclusivity and jubilation from a Black perspective.

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Johnnie Ray Kornegay III (Jay Ray) is a podcast consultant and co-host and producer of Queue Points, the Ambie Award-nominated podcast that drops the needle on Black music history. In addition to his duties at Queue Points, he is the Deputy Director of Strategy and Impact for CNP (Counter Narrative Project). A photographer, creative consultant and social commentator, Jay Ray's work is centered around a commitment to telling full and honest stories about communities often ignored.