Episode 2

Dancing Through It All: Indigenous House, Nostalgia & Summer Jams

In this episode of Queue Points, DJ Sir Daniel and Jay Ray dive into the healing power of music and the communal joy found at Atlanta's Indigenous House party. The hosts celebrate connection, dancing, and the return of live events, remarking on the vibrant Black and queer house music scene. They honor legendary figures including Archbishop Carl Bean and discuss his iconic track “I Was Born This Way,” as well as the importance of representation, spotlighting artists from Carl Bean to Lil Nas X. The episode explores summer anthems—classic and contemporary—unpacks music nostalgia, and discusses the influence and complexities of sample clearance in today's music industry. Whether sharing favorite ride-out songs or digging into the history behind “Summertime” by DJ Jazzy Jeff & The Fresh Prince, the show is a spirited reflection on culture, legacy, and the meaning of dance and music in our lives.

  • Indigenous House party in Atlanta: reunion, connection, and dancing after pandemic isolation
  • The healing and emotional power of music and communal dance
  • Atlanta’s vibrant house music scene and notable figures like Gina Stovall and Louie Vega
  • Honoring Archbishop Carl Bean’s legacy (“I Was Born This Way”), contributions to the LGBTQ+ and Black music communities, and the fight against HIV/AIDS
  • The roots and importance of black and queer representation in dance music
  • Lil Nas X on SNL and the significance of Black, boldly queer representation on a national stage
  • DJ takeaways from Indigenous House: skill over equipment, inclusivity, and respecting sacred dance space
  • The cultural significance of disco as Black and queer-rooted music
  • The physical and emotional health benefits of dancing; returning to public events
  • The deep-rooted tradition of summer anthems in Black culture and personal “ride-out” songs
  • DJ Jazzy Jeff & The Fresh Prince’s “Summertime,” its history, samples, and place in Philly and pop culture
  • Kool & the Gang’s “Summer Madness,” Philadelphia music history, and film connections (e.g., Rocky)
  • Generational changes in summer anthems and new traditions like “Hot Girl Summer”
  • Sample clearance issues in contemporary hip-hop and R&B, with examples (City Girls’ “Twerkulator”)
  • The business and legal realities of music rights, with industry anecdotes
  • Importance of following and engaging with the Queue Points community on social media and listener feedback
  • Reflections on personal memories, family gatherings, and culture shaped by summer music
  • Ending message about music’s transformative power and personal choice in life

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Hey, what's going on, everybody.

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Welcome back to another episode of QPP.

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So I am.

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We are your hosts.

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I am sir Daniel and I am Jay Ray, also known by my government as Johnny Ray.

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Kornegay the third.

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Hey y'all.

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And cue points is a visual podcast and it's our space, our space of meaningful

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dialogue, about the global impact of music, specifically black music.

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And remember, you can always communicate with us, Jay Ray, uh, via email.

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Or the Twitter account at cue the show.

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So we got a lot to talk about today, Jay Ray.

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It is really good to see you.

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Good luck.

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So again, so, um, thank you, uh, sir, Daniel for coming out and

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spending some time with me during my birthday, sir, Daniel got to see me

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completely cut up at indigenous house.

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And we're going to talk, let me say

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that was a, that was an amazing, amazing time to be had.

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I'm so glad that they had it.

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I'm glad that I attended because one thing I noticed and was very

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apparent when we, when we arrived.

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Is that people needed, this people needed that indigenous house party.

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They needed that release.

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They needed to see each other in person, many you to touch hug and

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they needed to dance straight up.

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Yes.

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And.

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Got it.

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Listen.

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No, we're going to talk a lot more about that because it you're absolutely right.

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Like it was nice.

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Um, and I haven't been in a, in a long time, so that was cool too, man.

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Listen, I can't even imagine how much has changed all the things that

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you saw and you were like, wait a minute that wasn't there before.

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So much, but I live here and even sometimes when I go out into certain

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parts of the city, I have to be like, well, when did that get there?

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It's crazy.

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It's crazy building during the pandemic.

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Most definitely.

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So part of what I enjoyed the most is seeing people dance

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at, um, indigenous house.

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And, uh, we're going to talk about some things, some other things

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that we both learned while we were there at indigenous house.

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I enjoy seeing, I don't, I CA I don't know her name, but all I have to

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say is the young lady that twirled.

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With her dress spread out.

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She's a, she's a mainstay at all the house parties around the city.

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Uh, wherever I, I know, you know, who I'm talking about.

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It was, I was so happy to see her dancing because that's you notice the

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party when you see her out there with her skirt flown out and she's twirling

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around and she's enjoying the music.

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And one of the songs that we heard while we were out.

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Is it a house classic by Carl Bean?

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Absolutely.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Um, I was born this way, so real quick, shout out to Gina Stovall.

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That is Gina Stovall, um, is who that is.

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And, um, Gina is a legend here in Atlanta.

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She will come to your house event as she will give you all

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of it, all of that mother energy.

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And, um, she actually got in.

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From indigenous house, uh, I guess about three years ago or so.

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Um, so definitely a shout out to her, but yes, um, as, uh, sir, Daniel

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mentioned, and we're going to, um, this is an honor, um, to be able

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to talk about Archbishop Carl Bean.

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Uh, but they played, I was born this way, um, by Archbishop Carl Bean,

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um, at indigenous house and some.

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Difficult news.

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Um, we learned yesterday, uh, but also news that is important to kind of the

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life journey is that, um, Archbishop Carl Bean is currently in hospital.

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And, um, and they have started a GoFundMe me.

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So I'm going to put this on the screen.

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So for those of you who are watching, um, and would like to support, um,

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Archbishop Carl Bean as he is on his, his next journey in hospice, um, you can

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go here to the go-fund me to support.

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Um, Carl Bean is not just.

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Uh, musical legend.

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Um, does that's one aspect of his career?

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Um, he has also been, um, an incredible fighter, um, and, uh, around HIV, um, and

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an incredible, um, uh, spiritual leader.

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So unity fellowship, um, was founded by Carl Bean.

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And so just an amazing, amazing.

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Important figure in the LGBTQ community, but also in kind of the

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greater dance and music community.

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And, um, so please support, um, if you can not go fund me, one of

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the things that is also happening.

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So for those of you who know me, uh, I serve as creative director for CNP, um,

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formerly the counter narrative project, and we actually are having an event.

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So we're having an event called liberation, remembering

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I was born this way.

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So here's the.

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Some fun facts.

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So Carl beans version of born this way.

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Action.

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I want to put that back up on the screen so y'all can see it.

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Carl Carl beans version of I was born this way is a remake,

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which a lot of people don't know.

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Um, the original version of that song was released in 1975.

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So for the event liberation, I'm actually going to be chatting with there's two

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magical things that are happening.

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So there's going, gonna be.

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First discussion.

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I'm going to be chatting with Charles Valentino who sang the original version.

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Uh, Charles and I are going to get on camera.

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We're going to wrap and talk about that.

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Right.

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Second part is, um, and I'm so honored that Archbishop being,

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um, spent some time with me.

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I got a chance to spend some time.

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Interviewing two hours.

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I spent two hours and late 2020 interviewing Archbishop Carl Bean.

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And so, um, he gave, gave us permission to do he's like, okay, whatever comes

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of this good luck is literally what he said, whatever comes of all of

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this stuff that we're talking about.

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Good luck.

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So myself and Kipper Jones, who we know as our brother Kipper me and

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Kipper are going to have a conversation about, um, Gospel music's influence and

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importance around, uh, the dance world.

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Um, and we're going to get into spirituality and, and build on

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this conversation about this legendary song that kind of has

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these two distinct versions.

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So come out and join us.

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So I'm going to put that back up again.

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Um, it's an event called liberation remembering I was born this way.

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Um, it's going to be in two parts.

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First part with Charles Valentino and the second part, Keppra Jones, and I

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will be chatting and I will be using, uh, the interview that I conducted with Carl

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Bean to, um, anchor the conversation.

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So you'll get the chance to hear Carl's voice and we will use that

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to, to have the conversation.

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So I'm excited about that.

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That's amazing.

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See, this is why we do cue points specifically for things like this.

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You need to know.

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About Carl Bean and his contribution to music and to the fight against

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HIV and aids and liberation for, for the LGBT community.

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So this is exactly why we do queue points.

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Thank you for that, Jay Ray.

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And I'm glad you brought it up because it's so fun.

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Um, last week SNL, um, had their, um, seasoned finale and their musical guests

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was none other than little NAS, X, and Lil NAS X he's controversial because some

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people are like, eh, I don't really get the music, um, part and then other people.

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Are like, well, you know, forget about me, forget the music.

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It's the representation, representation matters.

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And so either way I have to give it up to him.

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It was a really stellar performance.

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And if.

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If there was no Carl Bean, there probably wouldn't be a little NAS X listen, like

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the legacy, um, that, that trajectory.

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And I'm so good.

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Thank you so much for bringing that up, sir. Daniel, because that is

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something that we have to celebrate.

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There are these pioneers, these people who were doing this incredible work

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that did pave the way for folks like Lil NAS X to do what Lil NAS X does.

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So if we think about in 1975, when Charles Valentina.

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Singing a song that the New York times said, this was the first

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time that somebody got on a record and sang about being gay and out.

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That was a black gay man who sang that, that song was written by a

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black woman for a black gay man.

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Right.

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And then, so you have that part, right?

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And then a couple of years later, you have Motown.

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Deciding that, okay, we're gonna do this.

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We're going to do this right.

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And Carl Bean sings and comes in and gives you the gospel and the disco and all of

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that and furthers that, that mission.

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And then we get to a, like SNL with Lil NAS X getting up

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there on national TV and being.

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His full self.

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Um, so shout out to, to Lil NAS X, um, shout out, you know, what else

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I want to shout out to him for?

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I noticed that everybody on stage with him was black.

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There was not, there was not at all.

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There was not an all lives matter moment in that, in that, um, backup

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band or dancers at all, everybody who was black and black noticeably

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black, or, uh, somebody put it on.

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I put it on Twitter one time unnecessarily black.

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It was perfect.

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It was perfect.

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I was so glad to see that he, that he made a conscious decision to have people that

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look like him on stage, because a lot of times, you know, that just doesn't happen.

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It gets really watered down for the masses as it was.

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And as you get to little, non-sex his level of success.

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Shout out for that.

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Right.

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Cause I know it's, it's easy.

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To pivot when you reach that level of success.

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Right.

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It's easy to be like, oh, okay.

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I could do X, Y, and Z. So I understand that it, it had to be a conscious decision

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to be like, no, this is the aesthetic that I need on this stage with me.

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And they need to look like me.

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So good on you, Lil NAS X, you know, we'll, we'll keep looking out and checking

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for you and see what you do in the future.

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But I kind of want to go back to, um, indigenous house because

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the experience was infamous.

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I'm sorry.

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Y'all, that's an insight.

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That's an insight.

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And I had to throw it in there just to see if I can message it right out real quick.

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But, um, no, but it was a really dope experience, as you said, But, you know,

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everywhere I go, I'm always observing.

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I'm naturally observant.

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And I came away with a few things and matter of fact, I,

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I came away with three things.

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We just gonna talk about three tonight.

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And Jay Ray has three things to talk about.

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We're going to talk about the three things that we learned at indigenous house.

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Okay.

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I'll start it off.

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Please know.

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Number three.

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So all my DJ friends up here.

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And I have quite a few different skill levels, um, beginners

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to the legendary I learned.

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And I, and Jerry, you're going to have to help me with this because I

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can't remember his name, the DJ that.

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Opened to say, cause I don't even want to call it opening

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because the brother ripped it.

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He completely burned it, burned it down.

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And he set the stage for Louie Vega.

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Quite lovely.

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Yes.

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That DJ.

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Had a controller and my DJ friends know what a controller is.

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It's basically an interface that helps you communicate from a board.

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So your laptop music, right?

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And it helps you to mix and blend your music.

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My guy had an interface, had a, a controller that

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is no bigger than my phone.

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I mean, it was a little bit bigger than my phone and destroyed it.

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Destroyed it like killed it.

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You don't need, I, you know, and I'm somebody that loves turntables.

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Hey, you don't need a full rig.

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Um, you don't need the fanciest.

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You have to have a love for what you're playing.

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And you have to know what you're playing.

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You have to know your music inside out that brother.

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He knew his music inside out and completely killed it.

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So that's some that's.

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That was a lesson for me as a DJ and for my other DJ friends, it's not the

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equipment, the size of the equipment.

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It's what's going on up here.

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And your love for the music.

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Yes.

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So number two.

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And I don't care who doesn't like this, but white people, white people do not mind

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inviting themselves any and everywhere.

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Now, indigenous house is in Atlanta one, which is one of the blackest cities

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in the, in the city, in the, in the Southeast and, and indigenous house.

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Mostly black people, black and brown, you know, because house

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music is a black and brown music.

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Yes, no question zero dead.

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That right there, it's a black and brown thing.

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And so, you know, we are under the pavilion at Piedmont park people,

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you know, getting it all, but you know, we got Jay setters over there.

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You got people that are voguing on another side.

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It's a beautiful sea of black people.

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And Hispanic people, then all of a sudden,

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Karen, Karen now, Karen did lose her mind this time.

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Karen actually came in and do what they usually do.

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They're bouncing off and making their way in the middle of everything.

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They don't know what the hell this is.

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They probably have no idea what indigenous house is all about.

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They have no idea who, uh, Louie Vega is.

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They don't know any of this from a candidate paint, but they came.

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And they, this time they govern themselves accordingly and act

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accordingly came in and party.

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And I was just like, but you know, I said to Darrell, I was like,

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we're just leaving you look white.

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People just don't mind.

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They do not mind.

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They do not mind.

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And they do not care.

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They're going to come and show up to whatever it is you're doing.

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But after quarterly, yes.

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Okay.

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After quarter what's going on.

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And so.

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Final thought on, um, of things that I learned at indigenous house,

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please respect the dance floor.

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Yes.

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Let's be respectful of the dance floor because dance space is sacred space.

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Yes, this was that.

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This was, I saw it and it was actually, um, addressed on stage

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by one of the, by the promoter.

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When you are here in this space, this is not a time for you to get on your phone.

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And to be recording and granted, now here's the thing.

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You're not going to stop people from recording, but get to the side, get on

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the side, get out of the way there's people that are, are, are really

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going through it that are getting.

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Um, some type of, um, relief and release out of dancing and you could be impeding

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them because you want to get your shot.

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Absolutely.

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And I witnessed it.

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I witnessed it and it's not just the cameras.

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It's the people who stand there and folder.

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And just to look and to be seen and know that's not what it's all about.

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There's a wall over here for you to stand against and witness, if

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you just want to look, but please respect dancers and their dance space.

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So those are my three things.

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So the three things that I learned at indigenous house, which she got for her,

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no, I love those, uh, those three things.

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And I, um, I think one of the things that I will echo is.

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Picking up on the idea of the dancers, dancing is so important.

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It was, um, an any time you get a chance to do it among a group

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of people take that opportunity.

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And indigenous house was a reminder of that.

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I mean, I always know that, but I'm hoping that other people who

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were there got that and felt that like wanting to feel that energy.

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Of truly dancing and truly letting go with people that you don't know.

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So I think that.

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It's not necessarily something that I learned, it is something that, um, I am

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reminded of the importance of dancing and the fact that it's a great workout.

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So I'm in this space of like doing all of this workout stuff.

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Dancing is a great workout.

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So my number three dancing is really important.

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My number two is that it is great to hug people again.

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Hmm.

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It's really, really good.

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Um, indigenous house for many of us was the first event public event

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that folks have gone to and were able to touch each other and, um, see.

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People that you haven't seen in a year, you know, because everybody's

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kind of been in their own space.

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Um, and so, uh, the second thing that I learned is yeah, hugging, um, folks

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matters and it's really important.

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Um, and when you get a chance to, to love on your folks, love on your folks.

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And the number one thing that I learned is I don't want to ever,

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ever hear black folks say, discuss.

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That's ever one, it's our music.

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And don't even get into the fact that it is a black queer music.

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It is literally our music.

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I was watching.

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It's our music.

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I was watching.

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Um, I watched the Halston show on Netflix and then they be like, oh, you need to go

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ahead and watch the studio 54 documentary.

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Like I need to watch another one, but I watched it anyway.

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Right.

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And.

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One of the documentary yet.

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Like I told her, I have it.

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I have to get to that.

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I'm going to, I forgot I had HBO now.

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I got, I I've been had it.

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I'm gonna get there.

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Okay.

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What was so they started talking about, okay, well, why did

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these guys want to do this?

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And one of the, um, the, the subjects was like, well, this

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goal was played in black and gay.

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Like that's where you want.

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And so the people, when they want it to hear the disco, they had

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to go to a black club or a gay club, a black gay club to hear it.

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You didn't have any other options.

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So what ended up happening is the women, they were telling me, like women would

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go to the club with their friends.

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And so they would be dancing the disco and then the straight guys

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wanted to dance with the women.

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So they came to the club too.

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So, and, um, um, Now Rogers was talking about.

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So it became this melting pot where everybody's coming to the gay club

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to hear disco and to dance together.

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So then it kind of just became this other thing.

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You saw that at indigenous house, you literally could see like these people,

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you just can't like the boss comes on by Diana Ross and you can't deny that song.

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It's a great song.

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Listen, denying disco is just being racist.

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It's just being, it's just being racist and it's being homophobic

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and we have to stop doing it.

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Disco never sucked.

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It is, it is a black, it is rooted in blackness.

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It is rooted in gospel.

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It's rooted in soul.

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It is all of those things in one.

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To make you dance to it.

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That's why it feels so good.

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So number one thing that I learned is, um, disco matters.

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Disco matters.

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It really, really does.

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And, um, play the old stuff.

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If you want to make new stuff, I don't care what y'all do, but

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make some, like, make the kids get on the dance floor and dance.

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Like what's her Kelly, uh, uh, um, uh, oh, Kelly rolling crazy last year.

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And Toni Braxton had like a pseudo disco tune.

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Like people aren't get the people on the dance floor and dancing.

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Like they don't have a care in the.

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I agree.

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I agree from a DJ perspective, you it's like you need something

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to get people on the floor.

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You need something to keep people there.

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And if there's only maybe one or two songs, you only get to keep

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them there for like a maximum of maybe five to six minutes.

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And that's where it's so important that we have more music like that to give

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people like Jay Ray, all the fields.

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I mean, you saw his face light up, right?

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That's the kind of stuff.

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I, if I'm in a booth, I want to see, I want to see somebody use

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it like that and get that feeling.

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And like I said, indigenous house, the event reminded me of the importance.

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Human connection.

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As you said, hugging is important and all the fun of being outdoors during

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summer months, we are here, like by the time y'all are watching this.

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It's Memorial day weekend.

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We are officially in summer time and summer and music are two great

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tastes that tastes great together.

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I just used the old commercial, but it, I mean, it really is, which leads

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us to the topic of summer anthems.

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We got to talk about summer ant moons.

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Okay.

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So first of all, like one of my favorite things to do.

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During the summertime is night riding.

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I like to go up.

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Windows down driving four 80 that's four windows down going 80 miles per hour.

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And, and just jamming, just rocking of your favorite tune.

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Jay Ray.

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What's your favorite tune?

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The right out.

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It's my favorite tuner ride out to in some, well, I have to, I have

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to, I have an old school when in a, kind of a more contemporary one.

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Um, but uh, it takes to buy a DJ Rob basin.

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I'm sorry.

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Robbie's a DJ easy rock.

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Summer song.

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It's a great song period.

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And my, my more contemporary song is this tune called uptown by

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Aja making music released on this track by AIA in like 2007 ish.

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No, no, no long, probably longer than that.

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It's so it's so good.

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It's my it's it's so it is summer time when I hear that joint.

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Oh.

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And I can pull up the cover right now and put it on the screen and she's

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in central park and it's sunny out.

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I was like, It feels like something and that, and so, and for me, nothing

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says summer, like Connie's funky beat.

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Oh, like it's, it's just a, it's just that, um, it's fast

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enough, but it's not too fast.

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It's um, it's freestyle, it's got the eight away, boom, boom, boom.

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In the background just to get, you know, to give you that, that funky nod.

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And then you have the stink phase while you're not into.

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And it's just, she can't sing worth a lick.

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It's a classic, it's a classic.

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It's definitely a classy.

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And I need to add this also.

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Um, Janet, when I think of you, that song, that song just feels like summertime.

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It feels like outdoors.

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I posted this.

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I posted the question on our Instagram cue points on Instagram to find

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out what people's favorite songs to ride out to and Carlton be real.

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Um, he says, princes, I know Janet Jackson's on and on.

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Whitney.

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Houston's love will save the day, which, wow.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That's hot.

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Yeah.

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So Michael Jackson, Superfly sister.

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Oh, wow.

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Good choice.

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Okay.

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And, um, professor MCJ, he went with eight shit by Beyonce and Jay Z,

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which I wish I could definitely hear.

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That's like, that's like some headbanging music in the car and I

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would die for you by prince, which is.

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That's what?

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Roll down the windows song and it's driving and in particular Yi.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And it'll put you in your feelings too, a little bit and happy by Mary J Blige.

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Oh, that's fun.

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That's definitely fun.

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So if you go to our Instagram page and, you know, comment on any of the

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posts that you see and let us know some of your opinions as well, you know,

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we'll mention you here on the show.

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Yes.

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Um, but, um, so we're talking about summertime anthems, right?

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Yes.

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It, which is, I mean, which really just helps us lead us into this next segment.

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But I think about the perennial summer song, you know, it's officially summer

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when every DJ starts spinning summertime by DJ jazzy, Jeff, and the fresh prince.

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Yeah, it goes, it's like a no brainer.

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Yeah.

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That song, um, which is hilarious.

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So that song is third.

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Is it, is it 30?

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No, no, no, no, no.

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It's younger than 30 now.

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So it was probably like 26 that may, May, 1991 May, 1991 get out.

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So it is 30.

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It is 30 years old to this month, this month.

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It is 30 years old.

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That, that song is the, it's a young what?

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A young millennial.

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No.

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Is it a gen Z?

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It's a young millennial.

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Yeah.

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So it's a young millennial or older.

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Yeah, young millennials because older millennials are older.

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Yeah.

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That song right there is you absolutely know the radio.

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Start to put it on.

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Um, it will, once you start getting outdoors, it's an easy Sunday school.

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Um, and is a classic for good reason.

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It has, it hits all the musical marks, all familiar it's it's, it's relatable.

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You can remember the lyrics, you know what I'm saying?

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Here it is a groove, slightly transformed, just a bit of a break from the norm.

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You know what I'm saying?

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Like you, can't not rap that.

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I mean, it's to the point where.

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I mean, you got it.

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You expect it it's expected.

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It's like a part of the family reunion itself is that particular song.

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And that is something that black music does for each generation.

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It's generation.

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We tend to have a standout cut.

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That becomes part of our fabric becomes part of our culture and becomes part

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of every event that we, that we have, whether it's weddings, barbecues, it

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becomes a part of us in summertime.

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It's definitely that.

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I will say when it first came out, I kind of went.

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I kind of didn't like the song only, only because I was riding for hard for my guy,

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Doug E fresh, because Doug E fresh came out with his own version of summertime.

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And I think it was, he may have come out like a year earlier and I'm like that

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he was doing the dance on a Harlem brownstone.

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You can see, you can see a young.

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Skinny Diddy, puff daddy dancing real hard in the background.

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And it just, and I was still in New York at the time.

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And that felt like New York to me, that felt like summertime in New York.

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So, but no, um, summertime by DJ jazzy, Jeff and fresh prince, as I said, at

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video, the video premiere May, 1991 during an episode of fresh prince of Bel air.

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Yeah.

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Com made it, of course skyrocket of course.

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Um, the song was produced by hula and K fingers from Chicago.

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I had no idea that our group, uh, production crew from Chicago

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produced this worldwide smash hit.

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And then the song went on to earn them a Grammy in 1992 for best rap

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performance by our group or duo.

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And the song, um, reach number four on the billboard hot 100 charts.

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So it's just one of those.

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It's like, oh, will Smith.

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You got to give it up to him.

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Whatever you say about will Smith.

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Now, a lot of like there's people listening now who aren't old enough to

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know that will Smith started out as a rapper, uh, re a rapper rapper and a

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rapper that other folks have respected because while Will's style may not

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appeal to everyone will was a rapper.

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Well, it was will, will, will, is an MC and was, is row respected

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by other MCs that you are best, probably your favorite MC.

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And as a matter of fact, will Smith recently admitted that

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his flow on the song summertime was inspired by another MC.

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We got a clip.

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Here we go.

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Absolutely without question.

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I was trying to sound like rock here.

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I had just finished the album and I was going to the

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airport to fly back to Philly.

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I had done a couple songs with a hula and fingers.

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Uh, these are Chicago producers, so I was, you know, me and Jeff

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had done our part of the album.

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I done did this couple of songs, a little bit thinkers.

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I was on my way to the airport and we had partnered.

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Oh, nice.

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So I've been at the club, you know what I'm saying?

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Goodbye.

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And they hand me the track.

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They was like, Hey, we just did this one more joint last night.

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And they handed me the track for summertime.

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I went back to try to lay it and my voice cause we I'd been out partying all night.

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I couldn't get my, my higher.

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And the only way that I could get my voice out is that I had to be down in there,

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but it was strictly because my voice was blown out.

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And then while I was doing, I was like, oh, I sound like the

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I wrote it all dry, you know, rock him.

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Didn't have anything to do with the lyrics other than the massive love and respect

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and the imprint that he had left on me as an artist and the desire I had you.

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So I forgot about that controversy until I watched that clip bag.

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Cause that.

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At the time a thing that was a rumor, it's like, well, rock him, you

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heard his flow, rock him wrote that.

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And so it's nice to hear.

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We'll talk about that.

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It's nice to hear them talk about it.

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It's nice to see, um, him and Snoop and jazzy, Jeff and the gentleman in the

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upper right hand corner was Charlie.

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Matt, who is a Philadelphia.

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Yes, it's a Philly legend.

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Like any rapper that came through Philly, um, you had to

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go through Charlie Mac basically.

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It's just like, yeah.

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Yeah.

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I love stuff like that.

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And we have the, we do have the pandemic to thank for that because that's,

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you know, because of technology we're able to get together via technology

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and have these conversations and, um, Yeah, that's just a really cool

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fact to know that red rock him.

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Inspires will.

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And not that he was biting off of him, but because he had to get

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in his lower register and Hey, it just sounded like rock him.

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And if you're going to sound like somebody, why not sound

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like the guy them see rock him?

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You know, that was, remember, I, you, of course, you know this, but, um,

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when, uh, Internet first hit the scene.

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She was kind of like build it's like the female rock him, because that's

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what you had to do with women rappers back then they had to be like a guy.

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But, um, yeah, if you want it to be like somebody rock

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him was that dude to be like,

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absolutely.

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And we're not, and we're not finished talking about summertime because

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there's so many layers to this.

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So the song summertime features a sample.

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Okay by a, another group that has given us not hits, but songs that

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are interwoven into the conscious, the collective conscious of

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the, of our culture of society.

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Anthems, anthems, summertime has features of sample by cooling the gang.

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Yes.

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Summer madness and.

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Just the fact that they sampled that song from another group who

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gave us wedding songs like, right.

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So celebrate and cooling the gang didn't start off as a, a pop funk band.

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They started off completely hardcore funk and with some jazz influences as well.

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Absolutely.

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They morphed into this anthemic abandoned.

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Like, do you remember?

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Because we, we grew up in a tri-state area.

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Right.

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Do you remember when the giants went to the super bowl?

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I think it might've been 1984 and this is really taxing our memories here.

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They went to the Superbowl and cooling the gang was recruited to change

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their song celebration, to include lyrics about the, um, the New York

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giants, because they were going to a path to the super bowl in Pasadena.

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Wow.

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Wow.

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They were a huge group.

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They were a huge band.

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Um, their, their moment in the early eighties, um, uh, kind of coming out

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of too hot in the late seventies.

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And through like the early eighties you had like misled and like you said,

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like Joanna and like all of these, like really big hits celebration

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is just like, you will hear that if you're going to a wedding next week.

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If they have a band, that band is playing it, or if they have a DJ is going to play.

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Absolutely.

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Yeah.

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So the fact that summer madness made it into summertime is, um, it was,

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well, we talk about this a lot, sir, Daniel, and I think this is important

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for those of you that are watching.

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There was a familiarity.

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Hip hop had hip hop summertime.

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The reason why summertime is so iconic is because your grandfather

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could put it on at the barbecue.

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Your uncle could put it on and you could.

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And it would be accepted by all of the generations, right?

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Because it had, it had a little bit of old and a little bit of new and

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it was perfectly like interwoven.

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Um, it takes two, has that same feel.

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The reason why it takes to it's such a big song is this because

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any generation completely.

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Like you could drop that with gen Z today and you, can't not dance to it.

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Like how are you not dancing to that?

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It's iconic for that reason.

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Um, and I do have, I have, I have some stuff to talk about with summer madness.

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Can I talk about, can I talk about that stuff?

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Absolutely.

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Cause I'm sure it's going to be something that I'm going to ask you.

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Why do you know that?

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So go ahead.

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I'm so excited.

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I'm so excited.

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So I got stuff over here on my screen.

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That's why I was like making sure, so.

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Summer madness was released by cooling.

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The gang is the album was light of worlds back in 1974.

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Okay.

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So 1974, they released light of world.

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One of the songs of summer madness is on air.

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It's an instrumental and it becomes, um, kind of its own thing.

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Right.

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For good reason in.

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So it's in summertime, which is, you know, has a Philly connection because

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it's DJ jazzy, Jeff, and the fresh prince, their iconic Philly band, but

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summer madness has a whole other Philly legacy, which I did not know about.

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And this is interesting summer madness.

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Also appeared in Rocky in 1976 and a scene in Rocky, but here's where

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it gets even more interesting.

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So Rocky is a legendary Philadelphia based film.

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Um, bill Conti, who did the score for Rocky?

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Um, it ended up in the film.

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So summer madness by cooling the gangs in the film, but here's, what's weird.

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It's summer bill Conti.

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And this is, this is something that's public knowledge.

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It's common knowledge.

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I don't know how this happened or why there's a song on the Rocky soundtrack

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called reflections composed by bill Conti, but it's basically summer Madden.

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Huh, it's literally, this is how this dovetails into the conversation

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we're about to have after this.

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It's basically summer madness.

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Like you will listen to, if you go to a minute, 58 of

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reflections, it has the word,

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it's the same thing.

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I'm like what?

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So if you go to who sampled the first sample for.

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Some are matte for summer madness is actually reflections by bill Conti,

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but he didn't sample it as much as he did an interpretation of it.

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But it's such a close interpretation that people are often, like,

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this is a rip of summer mat.

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It's like he just did it as a rip.

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The only, the only reason I could think of that this might've happened is probably a

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licensing thing where they couldn't get.

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Summer madness for the soundtrack.

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So there had to be something like it because it appeared in the film.

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It's a very interesting issue.

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The Rocky film Rocky came out in 1976.

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So it's two years after summer madness.

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So summer madness, like I said, appears in Rocky.

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It actually is cooling again, summer madness, but on the soundtrack album,

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track four is called reflections.

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When you listen to it, you'll be like, this is basically.

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Summer madness.

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Right.

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Um, why didn't they just put summer madness on the soundtrack and I'm

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sure there is some very technical reason why this did not happen.

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Um, I'm curious to know the cooling, the gang suit.

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Like, I don't know all the answers.

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I have so many questions, but what I found most interesting

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was that summer madness actually.

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A, a deep Philly connection in that it appeared in Rocky and it also

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anchored, um, uh, summertime by DJ jazzy, Jeff and the fresh prince.

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So it wasn't the first time a summer madness came to Philly.

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The second.

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That's why that's why Jay Ray is a host and producer on the show.

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Those are the kinds of things that you're going to find out.

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And listen, if you're watching this, if you're listening to this and you know,

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the answer by all means, email us, hit us up at Q points, the show@gmail.com.

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But the email address is right there.

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It's the letter Q points, the show@gmail.com.

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And I wanted to ask you being that you grew up so close to Philly.

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And the video for summertime by DJ jazzy, Jeff and the fresh prince

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was shot as so many landmark, um, locations in Philadelphia.

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Did that, that video is of having an impact on you as somebody, you

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know, that was adjacent to Philly.

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Um, you know, it's interesting.

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So I was still young.

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So in 1991, I grew up in, I grew up in I'm now based.

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So you're actually looking at me from Chester, Pennsylvania.

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Which is about, um, 15, 15 miles from Philly.

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So it's really close.

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I'm a small 20 minutes away from the city.

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Um, I don't know that I had as much of a insight into Philly culture

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then, you know, it was, it was, it was feel going to Philly was a trip.

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You know what I'm saying?

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Like we going to get on the train and we got to go to Philly.

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This is like, we go into the city, like, it's a whole thing.

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So the video.

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No, but what did resonate was the feeling.

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So, and I think what's interesting about summertime in general and that video is

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that it conjures up a period of time in my life that I kind of miss, you know,

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that idea of family gatherings, that idea of kind of endless, um, Summer

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gatherings, where people are just kind of popping up at the house and

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it's like, we're having crabs today.

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We're kind of getting together.

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And then there's suddenly there's music playing and suddenly

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there's like a gathering.

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That's what that conjures up.

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So the reason why I think it resonates.

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Even still today.

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Well, at least for me is that it conjures up a period of time.

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That felt really good, you know?

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Um, and I want more people to have that feeling.

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Absolutely.

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Absolutely.

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Thank you for sharing that.

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Um, because we are talking about summer anthems.

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And filmic music.

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And as Jay Ray was just talking, what, what what's going on?

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What's coming up, sir. Daniel.

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Yeah.

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So we're talking about anthemic music and Jay Ray was just so lovingly

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talked about, you know, family gatherings, wholesome, summertime fun.

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But can we talk about some baldheaded, whole shit?

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Let's talk about some, let's talk about some, some baldheaded

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whole shit, because it's 2021.

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And summer anthems have definitely changed.

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And, but they mean, they mean so much more to, to a new generation because

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it's because, because as a society we're undergoing quite a few hardships.

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Summertime is the time for people to let their hair down and just to let loose.

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And as Meg, the stallion put it a few years ago, go have a hot girl summer.

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You gotta have a hot girl summer, which, which has become a means

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of it's almost, they picked it up and it's become a marketing tool.

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If you add.

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Right.

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You know, all your, your brunch places, your, your, your, your destinations.

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Everybody wants you to have a hot girl summer, and they know

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that in order for you to do that.

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That's how I know that we move the culture.

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We definitely move the culture.

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No matter everything we do helps the culture move forward.

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And so picture it

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Tuesday, May 18th.

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The city girls posted the cover art for their song.

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That's work.

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You later sending, sending fans into a frenzy that the

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tune would be dropping Friday.

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May that Friday, May 21st.

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Right?

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So let's take it back a little bit.

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Let's work later.

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It went from most anticipated to deflated within 24 hours.

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The song first went viral due to a leak on Tik TOK video.

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And we have to talk about this sometimes too, about sick tox impact on old

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school, hip hop and R and D. Yes.

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And, uh, after it became huge, it went viral.

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The city girls disappointed their fans by making another posting, uh,

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posting a statement stating that the song would never see the light of.

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Because they couldn't get the sample clearer, which is kind of what we

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were talking about earlier with the summertime song, the cooling

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the game, and this gentlemen on the Rocky soundtrack bill CACI song.

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So fast forward to last week or a couple of weeks ago during the 18th and the

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city girls posted that the song is dry.

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They got album are out this, when I tell you it sends all the, the city girls in

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the city, boys into a frenzy, we are about to be twerky collating this summer 2021.

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So that was Friday morning.

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The song dropped overnight.

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Right.

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Which is what they do nowadays is there's no more super Tuesday.

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We are going to let you know when the song is dropping at midnight and we're

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going to drop it so that you can have that whole night, that whole day to sit with

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it and be knocking it everywhere you go.

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So by Friday afternoon, Twitter is completely littered with

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criticisms and complaints.

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About the brevity of this song, because quite literally

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the circulator is two minutes.

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And when I say two minutes, it's legit minutes, 18, two minutes.

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It's two 18, maybe 18 seconds is super short.

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So why are we like this birthday celebration?

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So laying the city girls out in 24 hours.

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Hey, here's some tweets that some of my favorite sweets that hit the

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door, this first one here with, um, with Mariah Carey, homie guns

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it's later is how many minutes.

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And then this young lady whiz Monifa tweeted Turkey later passed.

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I'm sorry.

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It was the moment until.

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What's going to get cleared and we moved on with our lives no more

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behind, no behind the scenes, no rollout, no merchandise, nothing.

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Just a cute, just a few cute pics and vibes.

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Lazy.

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Wow.

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That's real harsh.

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And here's my favorite.

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Here's my favorite from JT herself member of the city girls.

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She says twerky laters should have been longer.

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I got to put it on.

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Repeat.

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JT is a Tevia says it there, you know, it's got to be something going

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on that that song should have been later, so it should've been longer.

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So what's so hilarious about looking at that tweet is you could actually see the

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picture of the cover for Turkey later, as she's writing this song needs to be long.

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Like it's the, the funny thing about.

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Musicy stuff like that.

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Um, this is actually an interesting anecdote as, um, Sometimes when you are

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working on clearance stuff and you're working on sample stuff, there are

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stipulations, and there are things that you can't get done in the amount of time.

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I literally just had this experience on one of my things that I do is I Moonlight.

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I Moonlight I'm an artist manager, so Kipper Jones, I managed Kipper Jones.

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And one of the things that often comes up our clearances

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licensing samples, whatever.

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We got an email that, so I want to be down which Kippur road appears in episode

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two of this newest season of poles.

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So season three of polls, I want to be down it almost.

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Didn't like literally I spent a week calling back and forth and

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talking to people, trying to get the clearance part, the business part of

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it done, because see, when you, when you at that level, it's outside of.

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The songwriter.

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Right?

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So there are companies that have to clear stuff and like do things

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and like all of this stuff.

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And it's like, sometimes it doesn't happen in the speed of time that you needed

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to happen or in the way you want it.

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Um, so it is thundering here.

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Y'all, might've heard that.

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So, so, um, so just so you know, like, um, I'm excited that they were

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able to get out what they got out.

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Um, it, it is short.

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Um, it's, uh, maybe it's a good teaser, but, um, who knows, who knows what

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behind the scenes stuff happened to make the Turkey later two minutes since.

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Yeah.

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As you mentioned, um, circulated actually samples to iconic songs, right?

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Yes.

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It is simple.

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Planet rock by African Bambada and soul Sonic force and the

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percolator by cashmere, which is a classic Chicago house song.

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So I'm just, as you brought up, I'm just wondering if the sample

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clearance could have affected the length of the song as well.

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Because as fans, as people that listen to the songs, they

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don't care, nothing about that.

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We don't care about that.

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We just want to be able to throw ass and have a good time.

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And hopefully the song will be a little bit.

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Then two minutes.

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Yes.

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But it's very interesting.

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I think, you know, Jerry, I think this topic of sample clearance is a little too

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deep for, to be just the end of the show.

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I think we might need to do another episode and talk about sample clearance

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and talking about the things that you may have missed out on because.

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Things didn't get cleared in enough time, come back to cue points.

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We actually do need to dive into this really important topic,

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because if we think about it, there was a moment of time.

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So this is pre.

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Pre hip hop.

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And, uh, there was versions of this and I think, um, summer madness and reflections

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are a good example of how it would happen before hip hop and sample clearances.

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And it would be interesting to revisit, um, Conversation, because I think

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that there's a lot of things here.

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One there's a lot of, of legal stuff, but two, um, there's just

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some interesting things that we can definitely get into around this topic.

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And I'm excited to do that with you, sir. Daniel.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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So guys, what we want you to do, first of all, thank you for watching.

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the people that we do have following us.

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Thank you already.

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We've gotten some great comments on the short compliments on the short.

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And so we're going to keep doing this.

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So Jay Ray, you go, we to come back next week.

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We coming back next week.

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We'll see y'all next week.

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Y'all all right, let's do this.

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Every member kids.

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I got to do this.

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This is my, um, this is my moment here.

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Remember kids in life, you can always either pick up the

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needle or let the music play.

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The choice is up to you,

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Y'all thank you for watching.

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DJ Sir Daniel

DJ Sir Daniel is a DJ/Selector and part of Atlanta's, all-vinyl crew, Wax Fundamentals. Co-host of the Queue Points podcast, he is an advocate for DJ culture and is passionate about creating atmospheres of inclusivity and jubilation from a Black perspective.

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Johnnie Ray Kornegay III (Jay Ray) is a podcast consultant and co-host and producer of Queue Points, the Ambie Award-nominated podcast that drops the needle on Black music history. In addition to his duties at Queue Points, he is the Deputy Director of Strategy and Impact for CNP (Counter Narrative Project). A photographer, creative consultant and social commentator, Jay Ray's work is centered around a commitment to telling full and honest stories about communities often ignored.