Let Us Cook: Drake's Controversial Legal Move & Hip Hop's Future (Bonus Episode)

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DJ Sir Daniel: It's vacation time.

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This holiday time, you know, we just decided to hop on here real quick.

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Before everybody goes on vacation, because we're not doing a show

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tomorrow, of course, it's Thanksgiving.

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And so we just wanted to hop in, check in with everybody really quickly.

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And just, um, touch base on the situation happening with Mr.

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Kendrick Lamar and Mr.

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Aubrey Graham, a.

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k.

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a.

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Drake.

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Shout out to Mr.

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Alpete in the chat.

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We see you, brother.

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Thank you for checking in.

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Um.

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Yeah.

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Uh, you want to let some more people in or you want to start chatting, start talking?

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No, things are happening.

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So as long as folks are watching, as long as people are doing the thing,

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um, we just really appreciate y'all for taking some time out as we, so in, in,

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in full disclosure, so let's explain.

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Um, I do want to explain what's happening here.

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So the gold.

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You know, IG is home.

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Like, we love it here on Instagram.

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We are here all the time.

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And What's happening, Stephanie?

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It is so good to see you.

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Happy Thanksgiving.

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Hopefully our show, by the way, was good for you when you was cooking yesterday.

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Hopefully that, that did what you needed it to do.

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Um, but we wanted to try.

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So we've been granted access as cue points to go live on TikTok, which is

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like way earlier than we should get it.

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But we got to do all of this stuff before we go live.

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The problem is one of the things.

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We need is to be together and TikTok wants us to go live for a certain period

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of time before it'll give us that.

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So we gave it a shot, but I am just happy that we get a chance to wrap tonight, Sir

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Daniel, because it has been a wild night.

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Couple of days

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DJ Sir Daniel: Yeah, I mean it was just last friday That kendrick, um pulled the

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beyonce and dropped the surprise album Um entitled g and x And um, of course It's

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all everybody I can talk about because one, it's slack and two, it's just,

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you know, it's, it's Kendrick Lamar.

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And he's

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DJ Sir Daniel: going to give you a, a body of work.

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He's going to give you, um, some raps to think about.

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And like I said, there's going to be some bops on there as well.

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So, um, since then, literally this week.

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Drake has responded by filing several petitions against the parent

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company, Universal Music Group.

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This has, this is unprecedented and it has Yes, mustard.

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It has a lot of implications and it has a lot of, um, um, it's probably

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going to have a long lasting effect on hip hop and drape for that matter.

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Yes.

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Um, so one of the things, you know, sir, Daniel, that I had to do is

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I, Didn't know what a petition was.

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So that was the first thing I had.

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I was like, what does this mean?

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Is this a lawsuit?

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Right?

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That's the first place my head went.

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And then I looked, and then I, through my research, YouTube University,

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it was like, no, no, no, no, no.

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A petition is, um, a way, it's a legal maneuver to be able to gather information.

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Um, so you file a petition so then you can get the information you need in

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order, if you choose to file a petition.

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Now.

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Daniel, you're absolutely right.

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I will tell you, so I'm sitting in two places with this.

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Stuff can be two things.

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This thing is like four things, actually.

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Yeah.

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But my first,

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first visceral reaction was, this is the least hip hop thing I have ever seen.

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I mean,

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Drake, let's just call a thing a thing.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Drake has really awesome.

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All the implications about Drake being light skinned, and being of mixed

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race, and having a Jewish parent are all being used against him right now.

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Um, it is, like you said, the least hip hop thing that you could ever do.

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There are so many implications of Drake's actions.

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Actions on street culture right now by involving the legal system.

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First things first, the number one rule of street life is no snitching.

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This might be, even though this is, he's not necessarily snitching

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on Kendrick, there's still some dry snitching involved, right?

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Yes.

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Yeah, and there's and that's like you said that's like the least hip hop thing you

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can do people are calling him a karen um It's just there are this is going to be

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so many long lasting effects on his on his persona on his um Reputation in the

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rap world that I don't think I don't know One of the questions we're asking is is he

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going to be able to come back from this?

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I have I do want to think I do want to I do want to answer that I do

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Get there.

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I do want to answer that So well, here's what's been sitting with me sir, daniel,

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especially over the last couple of days So i've been telling sir daniel i've

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been really taking in just like a lot of different content because I also

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wanted to Not let my knee jerk reaction Of this not being hip hop be like where

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I stopped at this You Here is where I blame pop's, um, commercial rise.

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Now this is, now I'm blaming hip hop for this.

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So what has essentially happened is hip hop Is a commercial entity, right?

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It is a business.

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We have turned it into a business.

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The reason why Drake exists in the way that he exists is because of the.

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Business of hip hop, right?

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He doesn't have to be from the culture He only has to exist in it and be

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allowed to move within it In order to be a successful artist so The reason why

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this has happened is because We stopped

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The culture stopped being the important thing.

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The business became the important thing.

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Right.

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So there's uh, mark saying it in the chat.

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Right?

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Um, oh, mark is tuning in.

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Oh, mark is on a plane

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DJ Sir Daniel: sends travel.

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Thank you.

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Thanks.

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Thanks for tuning in on

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a plane.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Thank you.

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They're traveling and they're, you know, safe travels to you, mark.

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Yes.

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And I hope that you get to your destination safely.

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Thank you for taking us with

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you

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DJ Sir Daniel: But I think what you're getting at j ray

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is like this is You're right.

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The culture, the commodity that has become, has created an environment

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where, um, getting your lawyers involved and, um, is a thing.

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Now, like you said, though, there are two things can be correct at the same

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time, can be true at the same time.

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There is, people are talking about that.

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Um, the, he, he can sue because of the, um, I guess the defamation

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part of some of those lyrics.

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That's open, I don't, you know, other rappers, I've heard rappers say really

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disgusting things about each other before.

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And nobody has brought a lawsuit.

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So here's the thing, but here's the thing.

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This is probably why I'm gonna use the I statement.

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This is probably why I'm not worth like 500 million.

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Drake is like, see what happened was my business got impacted.

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Now you in my pockets.

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So I don't give a, I don't give a damn about hip hop culture.

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What the legacy of battle rapping is universal music group.

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You should have protected me, your commodity.

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And I want to know what happened because I'm trying to get to the

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bottom of how did y'all let me and my business get damaged, right?

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That right there is.

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Stuff can be two things.

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I'm like, as a business person, I completely get that

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sentiment of wanting to do it.

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And, at the same time, sometimes, I would think you gotta take hip hop,

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you just gotta take one for the team.

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You just gotta take this L because you are part of hip hop culture and the

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code up until this point of hip hop has been, this is not the way we do things.

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However, so to go back to your question that you asked,

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I think I, I would have said.

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No, it's not possible for him to come back from this.

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Do I think hip hop will ever Do I think hip hop as a culture

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will ever take Drake seriously?

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No, but I think there are a bunch of Drake fans that don't give

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a damn about hip hop anyway.

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So it doesn't matter.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Yeah, there's just so much what I'm struggling with the

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challenge that I'm having is with the hypocrisy of a lot of people that are

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involving themselves in this situation.

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Um, like in one breath, you can have someone like a Drake who, when will use.

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lyrics as evidence of defamation in his court trial, right?

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But On the same hand, Drake was screaming Free Thug, free thug, uh, during the

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whole YYSL trial, when YS L's lyrics were being used against them in Rico,

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in, um, in Rico, charges and charges of, of, uh, uh, uh, of, um, um, conspiracy.

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Mm-hmm.

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and gang activity, so on and so forth.

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So it's like you can't have it both ways.

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Are you, are you saying don't use rap lyrics against me,

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this is freedom of speech?

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Or, no, this went too far.

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You call me a pedophile.

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And now this is affecting my business.

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This is too much.

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I can't deal with this.

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Whichever.

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I think it is.

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I think it's both.

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I think at the end of the day, if Donald Trump has proven nothing, Donald Trump

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has proven that you only have to be about the thing that you're about at

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the time that you about it, if you're not about that thing tomorrow, you

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could just not be about that right now.

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Drake has, is making the argument that I don't care nothing about hip hop code.

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I don't care nothing about that.

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I am a business.

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This, these lyrics.

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This affected me.

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They absolutely can be used in my situation.

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Free thugger all day.

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Right.

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Free YSL all day.

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I don't care what's happening over there.

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But what's happening over here is I'm going to use these lyrics because

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my business is impacted by it.

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Now, here's the other thing that's so crazy.

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Drake don't even, Drake don't even need the money,

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DJ Sir Daniel: you know, and one can argue that he is set for life and legit.

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He is, he came, he did his big one.

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He got, um, He got ridiculously wealthy off of this culture.

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Yes.

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You know, one could say the same thing about, um, someone like, uh, M.

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C.

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Hammer, who came along even though M.

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C.

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Hammer was not part of a huge diss war, but Hammered was a butt of jokes,

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a butt of a lot of hip hop jokes and punchlines, so much to the fact, so much

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to the point where he didn't participate, he doesn't participate in anything

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hip hop related anymore because he was not respected and, um, and embraced.

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While he was a while he was actively in the hip hop arena.

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Mm hmm,

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DJ Sir Daniel: but he made a lot of money I don't know how much of it was

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kept but he made a lot of money and the argument can be well He got his money.

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He did his big one and had now he's out He's still comfortable the

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same thing could be said for people like a young emcee Who a lot of

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people then didn't take seriously?

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As a hip hop artist, got his money and it's still living comfortably, sir.

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Mix a lot, sir.

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Mix a lot to give a damn about, you know, whether he was the

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realist or the hardest lyrics, sir.

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Mix a lot is a good jillionaire and we'll continue to make money hand over

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fist because of his business acumen, uh, but we'll continue to do so because of.

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His contribution to the to the culture and I don't think you don't see him suing

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anyone or saying, you know, y'all didn't treat me well or You know, I don't think

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it was to take it to the extent that it was but he's not doing that There's

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lots of people who have come and gone in hip hop who have certain levels of

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respect that were, you know Garner during their tenure in rap music And they made

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their money and they peacefully exited I don't see what is keeping drake from

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doing the same thing from Peacefully saying you know what y'all got got me

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Y'all um, i'm the i'm the bad guy here Y'all don't appreciate me right now.

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I'm just gonna step back i'm gonna take Care of my child.

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Um, I'm going to, you know, still run these businesses on the low and still

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collect money in the next 10 years when y'all want to have some type of reunion

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or have some type of celebration.

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And, and, and like it always does, it comes back around.

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Hey, you know what?

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That Drake guy wasn't that bad.

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Let's celebrate Drake.

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When you want to call me for that kind of show and you want me to

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show up, I may or may not show up.

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But right now, that's that.

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Sir

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Daniel, I actually obviously don't know if this is true, but I

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think that that is what this is.

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I actually think this is Drake.

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This is Drake's way of being like, I'm going to burn Some

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stuff down on the way out.

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I lost this bat mercilessly lost this battle.

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Right.

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My name as far as like a hip hop artist is in the mud.

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I can't do that anymore.

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So what I'm Going to do is I am going to get everything that's coming to

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me from universal and spotify And I heart i'ma dig deep in them pockets

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Because all three of them should Have protected me, but since they didn't, I'm

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gonna get up in their pockets and I'm

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DJ Sir Daniel: gone.

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Well, you know what, what I'm seeing people say is that the reason why he is

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going specifically after Universal and, and, and naming bot as the main enemy

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here is because he knows that they've used that in his favor in the past.

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So what he's saying is, Okay, I'm just gonna lift up the

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skirt on this whole operation.

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And if I gotta go down, Y'all gotta go down too.

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Which is, you know, I'm kinda not mad at it.

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Cuz I get it.

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It's like, oh, okay, so, So y'all wanna play, do this?

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Well, let's just, everybody's gonna, nobody's gonna eat.

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Nobody Nobody And so, you know, I it's petty and I kind of get it.

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That's some scorpio There's really some scorpio nonsense right there.

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And um, but I think what we'll see though Is what this is going to do is

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it's going to force artists to really?

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They have to step their game up and not rely on a machine Yes.

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To to, to propel them, to the forefront Your music is or is going to have

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to organically take you places.

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And I think that's something that where a lot of people might be scared about.

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I, I also think the other thing, sir Daniel, is yes to that.

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I think the artist,

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the true artist.

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are not necessarily focused on the commercial side of it.

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We'll do that.

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Right.

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We'll be like, okay.

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Um, I think those are This will actually say, well, what's the

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point of the label for real now?

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Like if, if I really got to do all of this stuff to build this audience

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and y'all can't do the push of the button thing that you used to be

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able to do to make it happen for me, why do, why do I need y'all?

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I don't really need y'all.

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So I think that that's a thing that's could be scary for the industry.

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Yes.

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I think also that

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For the record labels, it

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The music business is built on payola.

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It just is.

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We know that it is.

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It's part of the game.

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It's been part of the game.

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So the question is, what's, what's, what's left?

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You know what I mean?

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If, if at the end of the day, this thing that this house was built on, which

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was a house, which was a house of cards anyway, that was like bound to fall over

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at some point, what's If this house of cards that this thing is built on, like,

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tips over because of Drake, who has a lot of money and resources and time, right,

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to figure this thing out, what's left?

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I used to think, like, yo, these dudes are, like, really, really

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powerful and whatever, whatever.

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But Drake is huge.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Uh, What I keep going back to and thinking about is that these

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were the things that people were, the accusations that people were making

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against him was one that You're not tough.

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You're not a tough guy.

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You're not a tough guy.

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You're not built for, you're not built for the street side of things.

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And you're, and you're really not like that as an MC.

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I think you're like that as a performer.

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Um, you have surrounded yourself with some really dope writers and you just, in the

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past, you happen to have had opponents who did not have the same, the same type

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of star appeal that you have, like it.

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When I think about what happened between him and meek Meek was bound to lose that

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because meat does not have that gravitas that drake has let's be clear Meek was

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you know, meek was kind of corny, you know, you had the whole thing Uh with his

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relationship with mickey minaj working against him at the same time all of that

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stuff was happening So that was bound to go against meek and that was bound

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to go in drake's favor And drake, yes.

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Um Mark Drake is a pop artist, and so he's got his pop, masquerading as

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a, masquerading as a rapper.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Exactly.

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So he's got his pop audience and he can go play over there.

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He really truly is operating in a priv, in a, in a privilege

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that a lot of people don't have.

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And I think what people don't realize is when we talk about what white

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privilege is, it's In America, this is an example of what white privilege is.

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And you know, yes, Drake is black because he has a black father.

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And he uses that to his advantage when he wants to.

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But when he, but when it all boils down to it, he has a privilege because of

Jay Ray: 00:23:30

his mixed heritage, his complexion.

Jay Ray: 00:23:34

All of that stuff he uses to his advantage and I'm not falsing him for that, you

Jay Ray: 00:23:39

know, if you have it Use it if it's in your toolbox You may as well use it But

Jay Ray: 00:23:45

I think what people have been trying to say and what people a lot of rap artists

Jay Ray: 00:23:51

like, um, Yassine bae Um, uh little kim all of these dmx rest in peace All of them

Jay Ray: 00:23:59

have been saying this guy is dangerous to the actual culture of hip hop.

Jay Ray: 00:24:07

He is not hip hop.

Jay Ray: 00:24:10

You,

Jay Ray: 00:24:11

I want to throw, I want to throw the, uh, something at you like

Jay Ray: 00:24:15

you just, you preached up there.

Jay Ray: 00:24:18

Shout out

Jay Ray: 00:24:18

DJ Sir Daniel: to Dr.

Jay Ray: 00:24:19

Ed too.

Jay Ray: 00:24:20

Shout out to Dr.

Jay Ray: 00:24:21

Eric Garns, the psychological wage of whiteness that Du Bois talked about.

Jay Ray: 00:24:26

Drake is the rare artist

Jay Ray: 00:24:33

in hip hop that can literally leave it behind and walk into something else.

Jay Ray: 00:24:42

Yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:24:43

Offset can't do that.

Jay Ray: 00:24:45

Nope.

Jay Ray: 00:24:46

With other Kendrick Lamar can't do that.

Jay Ray: 00:24:51

You can't leave the, the, the, the blackness of hip hop behind and go and

Jay Ray: 00:24:59

make a rock album in the same sort of way.

Jay Ray: 00:25:04

I do think to that point, I do think Drake was.

Jay Ray: 00:25:09

Um, uh, with the Nevermind album, the house album.

Jay Ray: 00:25:13

I always said, and I think I said it on the show, that Drake was, this was

Jay Ray: 00:25:17

like a test to see what was possible.

Jay Ray: 00:25:20

For him outside of hip hop.

Jay Ray: 00:25:22

He threw some hip hop at the end there and was like, okay Y'all

Jay Ray: 00:25:26

apparently still want me to be hip hop.

Jay Ray: 00:25:28

So i'ma keep being hip hop right now But I I truly believe you are absolutely

Jay Ray: 00:25:33

correct This is what those people were talking about that folks weren't paying

Jay Ray: 00:25:38

attention to they were like nah this dude right here though Is something

Jay Ray: 00:25:43

else And we can't let this happen, but the problem is, hip hop is so big

Jay Ray: 00:25:50

business today, and it was already happening in the 80s and the 90s, y'all.

Jay Ray: 00:25:58

This is not new.

Jay Ray: 00:26:00

Drake is just the ultimate manifestation of what hip hop was going to be.

Jay Ray: 00:26:08

DJ Sir Daniel: There is no difference between Drake and Kid Rock.

Jay Ray: 00:26:14

Vanilla Ice, The Beastie Boys, Um, Justin Timberlake, there's no difference

Jay Ray: 00:26:23

between Jack Harlow, there's no difference between him and those people.

Jay Ray: 00:26:28

The only difference between them and them is that he got a black daddy.

Jay Ray: 00:26:32

Yep.

Jay Ray: 00:26:32

But, and, but they've been able to, like you said, they can, they came, they cherry

Jay Ray: 00:26:38

picked what they wanted from the culture.

Jay Ray: 00:26:41

They reap the benefits.

Jay Ray: 00:26:43

Uh, Mark Wahlberg, all of them, they came and they can go and the list goes

Jay Ray: 00:26:50

on and it just makes me, you know, when you hear people talking about policing

Jay Ray: 00:26:55

and gatekeeping, the culture, you know, at first it sounded like, oh, you

Jay Ray: 00:27:01

know, we're being too, um, We're being paranoid, you know, it's okay, you know,

Jay Ray: 00:27:07

hip hop is about is a universal culture.

Jay Ray: 00:27:10

It belongs to the world now and blah, blah, blah.

Jay Ray: 00:27:13

But this is a prime example of what happens when we stop

Jay Ray: 00:27:19

vetting people in a sense.

Jay Ray: 00:27:22

And we

Jay Ray: 00:27:23

DJ Sir Daniel: started letting, you know, business Trump the art side of

Jay Ray: 00:27:29

the music of hip hop culture of rap music when that business took over

Jay Ray: 00:27:35

and became more important than the actual art and the actual culture.

Jay Ray: 00:27:41

It was a done.

Jay Ray: 00:27:42

It was a done data because I'm telling you right now.

Jay Ray: 00:27:46

And those and on the battle circuit j ray prime example

Jay Ray: 00:27:53

Remy ma Was standing at her own.

Jay Ray: 00:27:57

She was on the sideline at her own chrome 23 I believe it wasn't one

Jay Ray: 00:28:01

of her own chrome 23 battles And two mcs were battling And used her And

Jay Ray: 00:28:09

accused her of cheating on her husband during their battle, and she had to

Jay Ray: 00:28:15

stand by the sideline, ice grill, and not have a reaction, because

Jay Ray: 00:28:21

that's what the battle called for.

Jay Ray: 00:28:24

And to this day, she has not said anything or addressed anything

Jay Ray: 00:28:31

with regards to her marriage.

Jay Ray: 00:28:32

But that happened.

Jay Ray: 00:28:35

She didn't call up an attorney.

Jay Ray: 00:28:37

She said, I'm not going to call y'all for libel, for accusing me of

Jay Ray: 00:28:42

being an adulteress, and accusing me of stepping out of my marriage.

Jay Ray: 00:28:47

Nah, that was part, that was part of the battle.

Jay Ray: 00:28:50

That was part of the hip hop.

Jay Ray: 00:28:52

Can you imagine if Foxy Brown and, and Foxy Brown sent

Jay Ray: 00:28:58

Lil Kim a cease and desist?

Jay Ray: 00:29:02

Can you imagine?

Jay Ray: 00:29:03

Can you imagine?

Jay Ray: 00:29:05

Now, would they, well, let's take it to big and pot, would they still be alive?

Jay Ray: 00:29:09

We don't

Jay Ray: 00:29:10

DJ Sir Daniel: know.

Jay Ray: 00:29:10

So

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here's the thing.

Jay Ray: 00:29:15

I think that there are elements Of hip hop culture that we can certainly

Jay Ray: 00:29:25

critique and certainly can be revised I I think that Battling makes you if you

Jay Ray: 00:29:37

care makes you a better emcee, right?

Jay Ray: 00:29:41

If you take the battle seriously You lose one you win the next one right

Jay Ray: 00:29:46

because you study you get better You figure it out you move on because

Jay Ray: 00:29:53

It you It used to be true that everybody wanted to be the best emcee.

Jay Ray: 00:29:59

That was the most important thing.

Jay Ray: 00:30:01

Am I respected?

Jay Ray: 00:30:02

Do people think I'm nice?

Jay Ray: 00:30:04

You know what I'm saying?

Jay Ray: 00:30:05

Like, that was important.

Jay Ray: 00:30:09

It's, that's not the thing now.

Jay Ray: 00:30:12

That's not the thing.

Jay Ray: 00:30:13

No one cares if you nice.

Jay Ray: 00:30:15

Nobody cares if you write your own stuff.

Jay Ray: 00:30:18

I mean, which has never really been a, been a thing.

Jay Ray: 00:30:21

None of the people really wrote.

Jay Ray: 00:30:22

But, but it's just not a thing.

Jay Ray: 00:30:26

People don't care if you nice or not anymore.

Jay Ray: 00:30:27

So to your point, one, I I can't imagine.

Jay Ray: 00:30:32

Two, there are instances where we wish the battles didn't go that far, right?

Jay Ray: 00:30:39

The battle went too far.

Jay Ray: 00:30:41

Big and Pac are a perfect example.

Jay Ray: 00:30:43

And there are other examples.

Jay Ray: 00:30:45

Um, but, at the same time, time.

Jay Ray: 00:30:49

Um, you can, those folks in their time, I'm sure it wasn't even a thought like,

Jay Ray: 00:30:59

because it's like, no, no, no hip hop.

Jay Ray: 00:31:01

We are hip hop culture.

Jay Ray: 00:31:02

That's not what hip hop culture is.

Jay Ray: 00:31:06

Now what Drake is showing us is this is hip hop now.

Jay Ray: 00:31:12

This is it.

Jay Ray: 00:31:14

This is it.

Jay Ray: 00:31:15

And I'm sure, I'm sure, I want to know what Karis one has to say.

Jay Ray: 00:31:21

I'm sure he's like, I've been seeing This is what's been happening.

Jay Ray: 00:31:25

This is what's been

Jay Ray: 00:31:26

DJ Sir Daniel: happening.

Jay Ray: 00:31:26

And you know what?

Jay Ray: 00:31:29

People like Terrence Robertson probably have been warning us for

Jay Ray: 00:31:33

years about hip hop becoming this.

Jay Ray: 00:31:38

This.

Jay Ray: 00:31:39

This is hip hop.

Jay Ray: 00:31:41

Do we want that?

Jay Ray: 00:31:43

So, is this hip hop?

Jay Ray: 00:31:45

Sir Daniel, this is not, I don't love that, right?

Jay Ray: 00:31:49

I'm like, if I could take one thing and be like, okay, this part of the culture, like

Jay Ray: 00:31:54

that is not the culture I signed up for.

Jay Ray: 00:31:57

Well, the culture where we call the, the law on each other.

Jay Ray: 00:32:04

DJ Sir Daniel: No, because it's because of words.

Jay Ray: 00:32:07

I don't know the,

Jay Ray: 00:32:14

I,

Jay Ray: 00:32:17

it's, it's really bewildering to me.

Jay Ray: 00:32:21

Like I, some people are like, no, he's well within his rights.

Jay Ray: 00:32:25

You know, this is, um, you know, the calling somebody a pedophile

Jay Ray: 00:32:29

that's, you know, that's defamation of character and that's going to

Jay Ray: 00:32:32

affect him throughout his life.

Jay Ray: 00:32:35

Is it though?

Jay Ray: 00:32:37

Has an investigation been opened up on him?

Jay Ray: 00:32:42

Like, no.

Jay Ray: 00:32:44

There's nothing legal happening around this?

Jay Ray: 00:32:47

Like, it was a, it was a rap battle.

Jay Ray: 00:32:49

DJ Sir Daniel: It was a rap.

Jay Ray: 00:32:50

The only thing, again, the only thing that this is drawing question to, and

Jay Ray: 00:32:56

this is because he wants to burn, he's feeling like, if I can't live in this

Jay Ray: 00:33:01

house, I'm going to burn the whole thing down, is The is universal music group

Jay Ray: 00:33:06

being exposed for using that technology to force people To hear things and and

Jay Ray: 00:33:14

to stream things even if they didn't want to and that's why We continue we continue

Jay Ray: 00:33:20

to purchase Um, uh, uh, uh, we continue to purchase music and continue to have

Jay Ray: 00:33:27

like, um, solid and, um, what's the word I'm looking for a tangible, tangible art.

Jay Ray: 00:33:35

We continue to use that to show that, Hey, I like this.

Jay Ray: 00:33:39

I'm supporting it with my money and I can play it when and wherever I want to.

Jay Ray: 00:33:44

I'm not allowing your algorithm to pick stuff for me.

Jay Ray: 00:33:48

Yes.

Jay Ray: 00:33:49

And yet maybe we're dinosaurs and.

Jay Ray: 00:33:52

That's why we're not being affected by this, but he is, he's

Jay Ray: 00:33:56

really just burning down a system that has co opted the culture.

Jay Ray: 00:34:01

And who knows that might work out for the culture in the long run.

Jay Ray: 00:34:05

Maybe this will force the, maybe this will force artists to really not rely on.

Jay Ray: 00:34:13

The technology and the algorithms to get their music to the masses.

Jay Ray: 00:34:17

Um, but I was also going to say with regards to, um, where we are as a culture,

Jay Ray: 00:34:29

I, another thing that this brings light to is what I've always been saying

Jay Ray: 00:34:35

a lot of people now, rappers are.

Jay Ray: 00:34:38

Nobody's rapping.

Jay Ray: 00:34:40

Nobody's um, listening.

Jay Ray: 00:34:44

Nobody's listening to understand.

Jay Ray: 00:34:48

People are just saying stuff because they want to be right.

Jay Ray: 00:34:51

And I call it the disease to be right.

Jay Ray: 00:34:57

When you You want to be right so bad, you're going to say and say

Jay Ray: 00:35:02

anything and not listen and not try to listen with understanding.

Jay Ray: 00:35:06

There's nobody listening with nuance anymore.

Jay Ray: 00:35:08

Nobody's rapping with nuance anymore.

Jay Ray: 00:35:11

It's just how it is.

Jay Ray: 00:35:14

And, um, um, I don't know.

Jay Ray: 00:35:16

I just really think that this is, this is kind of a wake up

Jay Ray: 00:35:19

call for what we've been seeing.

Jay Ray: 00:35:25

And to think this.

Jay Ray: 00:35:27

All came about I think this really the knife was turned when Probably when

Jay Ray: 00:35:33

kendrick was offered the super bowl performing that was And it was like oh so

Jay Ray: 00:35:40

y'all can reward him he's being rewarded For being for being the better rapper jray

Jay Ray: 00:35:49

Make the Stanley went to court, had to go to court, not because she pressed charges.

Jay Ray: 00:35:55

She went to court because the state picked up charges.

Jay Ray: 00:35:58

Yep.

Jay Ray: 00:36:00

Diddy is trying to get bail because the state picked up charges.

Jay Ray: 00:36:07

There are legit victims that are pressing charges because actual

Jay Ray: 00:36:13

things happen to their person.

Jay Ray: 00:36:15

Yes.

Jay Ray: 00:36:15

Their bodies were violated.

Jay Ray: 00:36:18

Their livelihoods were violated.

Jay Ray: 00:36:19

We're violated.

Jay Ray: 00:36:20

We're still talking about a war of words here.

Jay Ray: 00:36:25

And for, and again, no, these are just petitions.

Jay Ray: 00:36:30

These are just petitions.

Jay Ray: 00:36:36

They're not lawsuits, but still everybody is like, yo, Karen, you just call

Jay Ray: 00:36:42

nine one work on the whole culture.

Jay Ray: 00:36:47

This rapper guy,

Jay Ray: 00:36:50

DJ Sir Daniel: he's, he said, he set up a, they've set up a

Jay Ray: 00:36:54

barbecue outside on the lawn and.

Jay Ray: 00:36:58

Like, they're crip walking, and I don't understand what is going on.

Jay Ray: 00:37:02

I'm feeling really unsafe.

Jay Ray: 00:37:04

I need somebody to come by here and, like, get them in order,

Jay Ray: 00:37:08

because this is not right.

Jay Ray: 00:37:12

It but what's but what this also says, too

Jay Ray: 00:37:18

This says a lot.

Jay Ray: 00:37:20

Drake had to know that this was going to be the perception that

Jay Ray: 00:37:25

people had, and he still said, I don't give a damn about none of that.

Jay Ray: 00:37:30

Run, do this petition, because these people to run me my money.

Jay Ray: 00:37:34

That right there is like, wow, you actually knew how

Jay Ray: 00:37:40

people would react to this.

Jay Ray: 00:37:43

It's rolled them dice anyway, because, and I truly believe this.

Jay Ray: 00:37:50

I truly believe he was like, they black, I don't care what these

Jay Ray: 00:37:54

black folks is talking about anyway.

Jay Ray: 00:37:57

Like, it's okay.

Jay Ray: 00:37:58

I don't need them.

Jay Ray: 00:38:00

DJ Sir Daniel: Um, and it, and it lets me know that he truly, I don't think

Jay Ray: 00:38:05

he celebrates the culture of hip hop.

Jay Ray: 00:38:09

I don't think he celebrates that or he's trying to preserve that.

Jay Ray: 00:38:13

I think he's, he's trying to preserve celebrity.

Jay Ray: 00:38:17

That's what's important to him.

Jay Ray: 00:38:19

Celebrity.

Jay Ray: 00:38:21

Celebrity is what's important to him.

Jay Ray: 00:38:23

Celebrity keeps the lights on.

Jay Ray: 00:38:25

Celebrity will, um, keep his child in private school for the rest of his life.

Jay Ray: 00:38:33

Celebrity will create that lifestyle that he's always wanted.

Jay Ray: 00:38:39

And that's that.

Jay Ray: 00:38:40

Damn, this culture thing, huh.

Jay Ray: 00:38:44

You know, you're cheesing me dog.

Jay Ray: 00:38:47

I don't care about that.

Jay Ray: 00:38:48

I don't care about that culture dog so

Jay Ray: 00:38:51

Sir, daniel, then the the question is question it and yeah

Jay Ray: 00:39:00

do what's next for hip hop like this truly is like Change this could change

Jay Ray: 00:39:13

everything because if this first of all the inkling of these petitions

Jay Ray: 00:39:20

is We'll have rappers on edge because they will be like, I don't want

Jay Ray: 00:39:24

nobody else doing no petition on me.

Jay Ray: 00:39:27

So battles will look real different, right?

Jay Ray: 00:39:32

For better or for worse.

Jay Ray: 00:39:34

That, but also just the idea of like, yo, we are now at the point

Jay Ray: 00:39:41

where the culture don't matter.

Jay Ray: 00:39:45

Is there a way back?

Jay Ray: 00:39:48

Is there I

Jay Ray: 00:39:57

don't think there's a way to

Jay Ray: 00:39:58

DJ Sir Daniel: go back for anything because we don't have time machines.

Jay Ray: 00:40:03

We can't go back.

Jay Ray: 00:40:04

Only thing we can do is we can go forward.

Jay Ray: 00:40:07

I think what will have to happen is we will have to have,

Jay Ray: 00:40:12

um,

Jay Ray: 00:40:16

DJ Sir Daniel: there will have to be implicit and intentional movements like

Jay Ray: 00:40:22

QPoints podcast that will Celebrate and make space for people who want

Jay Ray: 00:40:31

to who still who want to do things in a traditional manner or who even

Jay Ray: 00:40:36

push the culture forward and push the art forward, there'll be room.

Jay Ray: 00:40:42

We have to create platforms for them.

Jay Ray: 00:40:45

You got to create.

Jay Ray: 00:40:47

Um, yeah, we got to Create ways that they can be celebrated and that

Jay Ray: 00:40:53

we use the technology that we do have to share it around the world.

Jay Ray: 00:40:58

But as far as going back to the way things used to be, that's not going to happen.

Jay Ray: 00:41:05

It's not going to happen.

Jay Ray: 00:41:07

We have to just be really serious about moving forward

Jay Ray: 00:41:12

and doing a little gatekeeping.

Jay Ray: 00:41:15

Thank you.

Jay Ray: 00:41:15

And being intentional about who participates in this, you know, you know,

Jay Ray: 00:41:26

I've been saying it on this podcast.

Jay Ray: 00:41:28

We're going to stop with these cookout invites.

Jay Ray: 00:41:31

No, it's a little too loosey goosey with the cookout invites.

Jay Ray: 00:41:34

2025,

Jay Ray: 00:41:36

just no.

Jay Ray: 00:41:37

No, none of them can come.

Jay Ray: 00:41:39

Period.

Jay Ray: 00:41:40

Okay.

Jay Ray: 00:41:41

None of them can come.

Jay Ray: 00:41:42

This is family only in 2025.

Jay Ray: 00:41:45

Right.

Jay Ray: 00:41:45

No new friends.

Jay Ray: 00:41:46

Right.

Jay Ray: 00:41:47

In 2025.

Jay Ray: 00:41:49

Exactly.

Jay Ray: 00:41:51

And, and I, I'm, I'm with you.

Jay Ray: 00:41:53

I think one of the things that I, I'm feeling really passionate about

Jay Ray: 00:41:58

in this moment too, is rekindling the love for our history, you know?

Jay Ray: 00:42:08

History is so rich and it's so important and it used to matter so much it

Jay Ray: 00:42:17

used to matter and I want to get us to the point where people care about

Jay Ray: 00:42:24

knowing what shoulders they stand on.

Jay Ray: 00:42:27

For nothing else than to Feel better about the stuff that you do.

Jay Ray: 00:42:35

I just think folks just don't care like we used to.

Jay Ray: 00:42:40

And if there's one thing that we can do, I can do.

Jay Ray: 00:42:44

If there's one thing that I can do, and I'm hoping that we can do at

Jay Ray: 00:42:48

QPoints, is just rekindle that spark of like, nah, nah, nah, this matters.

Jay Ray: 00:42:54

This history matters.

Jay Ray: 00:42:56

The lineage matters.

Jay Ray: 00:42:57

In which you stand really does matter so you make different decisions I feel

Jay Ray: 00:43:03

like drake could have chose a whole bunch of um ways to do things Um,

Jay Ray: 00:43:11

this is the way he chose and that's it's whatever it's his business not

Jay Ray: 00:43:14

ours Um, but at the end of the day, um

Jay Ray: 00:43:21

man This yeah, it's it's It's whack to me.

Jay Ray: 00:43:26

That's all, that's it.

Jay Ray: 00:43:28

Uh, yo, it's just whack to me.

Jay Ray: 00:43:31

Yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:43:32

I hope you get, I hope you get all the money you want.

Jay Ray: 00:43:36

DJ Sir Daniel: I hope you get what you, you wanted.

Jay Ray: 00:43:38

Um,

Jay Ray: 00:43:41

uh, and, uh, you know, go with God.

Jay Ray: 00:43:44

Go.

Jay Ray: 00:43:44

Go

Jay Ray: 00:43:46

DJ Sir Daniel: with God, you know, people and people are still going to,

Jay Ray: 00:43:51

people are going to continue bumping.

Jay Ray: 00:43:53

Um, Kendrick Lamar, people are going to continue still continue bumping.

Jay Ray: 00:44:00

Um, Drake.

Jay Ray: 00:44:03

Right now, it's just not popular.

Jay Ray: 00:44:05

That's the thing that I, that gets me is he could have just sat it out

Jay Ray: 00:44:10

and waited till he became popular again, which with the attentions,

Jay Ray: 00:44:14

with the collective attention span that we have, he would have been back.

Jay Ray: 00:44:19

His redemption story could have, his redemption tour could have started at

Jay Ray: 00:44:24

the top of 2025 and by summer 2025, he would have been back on tour, he would

Jay Ray: 00:44:31

have had a new album, all would have been right with the world, and nobody

Jay Ray: 00:44:35

would have been, um, the worst for it.

Jay Ray: 00:44:39

He literally could have done that.

Jay Ray: 00:44:41

Like, you know what, Kendrick is a businessman too.

Jay Ray: 00:44:43

He could have called up Kendrick and be like, look homie, you won that thing.

Jay Ray: 00:44:47

Me and you, let's hop on a joint, da da da da da, let's do

Jay Ray: 00:44:51

the thing, whatever, whatever.

Jay Ray: 00:44:53

There could've been a whole, and you are absolutely right,

Jay Ray: 00:44:56

Drake would've been back on top.

Jay Ray: 00:44:59

DJ Sir Daniel: It could've been a whole, um, it could've been

Jay Ray: 00:45:01

another Nas and Hov moment.

Jay Ray: 00:45:03

Absolutely.

Jay Ray: 00:45:05

DJ Sir Daniel: They, right now, this is their summer jam screen.

Jay Ray: 00:45:09

This is their summer jam.

Jay Ray: 00:45:11

But they could've, they could've had a moment where they both came

Jay Ray: 00:45:14

out in their tuxedos, high fiving.

Jay Ray: 00:45:21

Doing the pole nine,

Jay Ray: 00:45:21

the big three, big three, just do the big three.

Jay Ray: 00:45:24

Drake, j Cole, Kendrick 2025.

Jay Ray: 00:45:29

It would've went crazy.

Jay Ray: 00:45:31

DJ Sir Daniel: Pusha T wouldn't have had none of that.

Jay Ray: 00:45:34

Pusha T would still be like, Nah, I ain't.

Jay Ray: 00:45:36

I'm still not fucking with that.

Jay Ray: 00:45:38

But, but I think it could have been, it could have been Kendrick and Drake

Jay Ray: 00:45:44

having a whole Jay Z and Nas moment.

Jay Ray: 00:45:48

Um, yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:45:50

For the culture, you guys have to, and then you guys have to really

Jay Ray: 00:45:56

decide, um, create boundaries.

Jay Ray: 00:46:01

Like, if you want, like, the same way there's a street code, there

Jay Ray: 00:46:05

could be a bound, a code or a boundary when it comes to these raps.

Jay Ray: 00:46:09

Now, if you feel like, um, Anything is, you know, is on the table and you can

Jay Ray: 00:46:16

say anything, you can say anything and you've got to be ready to understand

Jay Ray: 00:46:20

the same thing can happen to you.

Jay Ray: 00:46:22

It's just part of it.

Jay Ray: 00:46:25

But if you don't want to participate in that, don't participate in it.

Jay Ray: 00:46:29

Our brother J Cole got so much flack for bowing out

Jay Ray: 00:46:33

and he literally said, you know what, I'm not going to do that.

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DJ Sir Daniel: He said,

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Oh no, my brother.

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No,

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my brother.

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You

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DJ Sir Daniel: got to get your own.

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He saw it.

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He saw what he, I think Cole saw what, what could have happened.

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It was like, you know what?

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No, I, at least I'm not going to be involved in

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it.

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DJ Sir Daniel: So it's just,

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let's send some love to Stephanie.

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It looks like she got a kitchen sink thing happening.

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We so sorry, sis.

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We got to get fixed.

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It's thanksgiving eve.

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We need you to finish that meal.

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Oh, no.

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Yeah Yes, so sorry.

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Sending you some love, Stephanie.

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Um, oh my God.

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Uh, Sir Daniel, I'm glad we hopped on IG and just rapped.

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See how we, see how we did this for easily like an hour?

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I knew we had a lot to talk about with this one.

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DJ Sir Daniel: You know, and it's, you know, it's for a

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handful of our people that get it.

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That understand, um, we thank you for tuning in.

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We thank you for sharing your Thanksgiving Eve with us.

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Like I said, we, you know, we know everybody's going to be busy tomorrow.

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Tomorrow's about family.

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Um, hopefully this doesn't.

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Take over the conversation at the

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table.

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DJ Sir Daniel: It's just with politics.

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Don't bring up politics.

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Don't bring up the election and don't bring up Drake and Kendrick

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Lamar at the table because it's gonna, it's gonna cause turmoil.

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So,

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Leave that out of the Thanksgiving conversation tomorrow, y'all.

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QPoints, we did the talking for you.

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We know that all the other podcasts have been talking about it ad nauseum.

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We're the only ones that actually made sense.

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But yeah, just keep it going.

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Oh my God.

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Come on, and we're wrapping just as Mark is landing.

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DJ Sir Daniel: See?

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Thank

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you, Mark.

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DJ Sir Daniel: The perfect way to, um, to suspend your flight.

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Y'all, listen, thank you so much for hanging out, and Sir

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Daniel, I'll talk to you, but enjoy your Thanksgiving, Sir Daniel.

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DJ Sir Daniel: You do the same.

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Um, love on your family for me.

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Um, enjoy the food.

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I know we've got, we've got a house, a house full right now.

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Yes, love on your family too, man.

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DJ Sir Daniel: So, and be safe.

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Yes.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Everybody, not just Jerry, everybody watching

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right now, y'all please be safe.

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With each other, um, and love on each other and just, you know, experience what

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this holiday is supposed to be about.

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And, um, we will see you on the next go around.

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It's like, you know what to do.

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You already follow QPoints.

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You know how to get to, um, It's magazine.

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cuepoints.

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com.

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Absolutely.

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Magazine.

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cuepoints.

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com.

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Um, J.

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Ray has worked so hard on that newsletter, that sub stack, it

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looks beautiful, it's perfection.

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If you need something to read on your flight back home, make sure you

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subscribe to that and take it with you.

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That's magazine.

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cuepoints.

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com.

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And of course, we're here on Instagram at QPointsPod.

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And the same thing for our website, QPoints.

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com.

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And um, well, I think I just did your, your job.

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You did, but it's all good.

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I completely walked over your script.

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It's fine.

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It is absolutely fine.

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It is the holiday.

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Um, so I'll do your ending.

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Please.

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As Sir Daniel says at the end of every show.

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In this life you have a choice you can either pick up the needle

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or you can let the record play

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DJ Sir Daniel: I'm, jay, right and i'm bj sir, daniel and this

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is a few points podcast Dropping the needle on black music history.

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We will see you on the next go round.

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Happy holidays Everybody shout out to shout out to southwest for the free wi fi.

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I know that's right