Dr. York, The Cult of NatureBoy & the Music Behind the Harm

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Before we drop the needle on this one, we want to check in with you first.

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This episode goes somewhere real.

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We're discussing the stories of two men who used music, community,

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and charisma to cause serious harm.

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including child sexual abuse and sexual violence.

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We say the truth plainly in this episode because the people

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who were hurt deserve that.

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So if you're in a tender place right now, no judgment, save

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this one for when you're ready.

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If you or someone you know needs support the National Sexual Assault Hotline,

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also known as RAINN, is available at one eight hundred six five six four

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six seven three or at R-A-I-N-N .org.

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Okay, let's get into it.

Sir Daniel: 00:01:10

Greetings and welcome to another episode of Queue Points podcast.

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I am DJ Sir Daniel.

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And my name is Jay Ray, sometimes known by my government

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as Johnnie Ray Kornegay III.

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And uh, sir Daniel, um.

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So the past couple of weeks we have been bombarded if you are anywhere

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near YouTube, about the release of the Cult of the Nature Boy

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documentary, which is out now, and.

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What's so interesting about this, and we're gonna talk about it today,

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is there's a whole music overlap to this conversation as well that we

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wanted to explore, not just present day, but past history as well.

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Listen, I'm just gonna preface this conversation by saying.

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I love, first of all, I love documentaries, but more than

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that, I love a cult documentary.

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I, I love the, the, the, the, the, the creepy, um, music

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that they use throughout, throughout the documentary, the.

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reenactments.

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The reenactments, the, the tension building sound effects,

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all of that stuff is just Chef's kiss.

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For me, it started out, I started out as a kid watching, um, I don't

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know why I was watching this as a kid, but Helter Skelter, which was

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I remember Helter skelter.

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Mm-hmm.

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Movie based on Charles Manson and I just remember being completely

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enthralled by this whole story.

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And of course following those stories then as a, uh, a person of, um, whose family

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descends from Guyana and have always, always heard about the Jonestown massacre.

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Uh, um, related to Jim Jones and every time, here's how I know it.

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Every time you tell my mother would tell people where she's from and she

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would say, oh, yes, I'm from Guyana.

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And you can always tell a person's age or, or how, you know,

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somebody that followed the story.

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They always get that look like Jim Jones.

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Yes.

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The place where Jim Jones took all those people.

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To their death, but, you know, um, but it's funny, there's always a, a, a

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through line with cults and cult leaders.

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Jay Ray, that is a, is a direct connection to music.

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And specifically we're gonna talk about, because we are a

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Black music podcast, we're gonna talk about hip hop and some R&B.

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What I find with a lot of people who get.

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Aligns with cults and cult leaders is that they're always looking.

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They're somewhere in their life.

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They're looking for something to ground them and something

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to have a connection with.

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And these cult leaders provide that they pro.

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And because these cult leaders have this charisma and they know

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the exact right things to say.

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They're oftentimes, you know, people that have the power to, to gather these

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people and have them follow them, and we have a lot of that within popular

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modern music, very charismatic figures.

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Who speak to, especially when it comes to teenagers who speak to them, who

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speak to their, their plight as it were, and their need for a connection

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to something bigger than them.

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And we see that all the time, a lot in hip hop music.

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I was not familiar with the deep work of Nature Boy and Carbonation,

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but I was tangentially familiar with the music of Nature Boy and Carbonation

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because, I was really into SoundCloud.

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SoundCloud was the place where you could go and you could hear like a lot of new

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music and, uh, people with playlists over there, people would just create.

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And so as you were listening to different playlists, you would

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hear a lot of unique things.

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One of the, uh.

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Uh, folks that would show up was Nature Boy, nature Boy's

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name was not that at the time.

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It was, uh, I would see it under three God Productions, right?

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Which is very much a, you know, you know, Black pro, Black sort of name that you

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would kind of see, you know what I mean?

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Like out there.

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So it wasn't surprising to me, what I found interesting is.

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It wasn't for me, but it wasn't bad.

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You know what I'm saying?

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Like, I could see why the music of this person, um, would end up on a playlist.

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I didn't learn until later after, you know, uh, everything.

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We learned everything about carbonation, how a lot of the members of carbonation

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considered themselves musicians.

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But I think it's important that we take a step back as we jump into this just

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to kind of ground folks, uh, in what.

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This documentary kind of is.

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Um, so Eligio Bishop.

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Uh, started carbonation somewhere in 2016 and it kind of went through.

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Um, it's still going now, honestly, apparently there are

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folks who are still doing the work of, um, Eligio Bishop today.

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Um, but he is of course.

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Um, locked up and he will be locked up for life.

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I believe it's a life sentence, but I, I think what's interesting, so I've only

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watched one of these episodes and what I find most interesting about it is, yes,

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there are reenactments, but because.

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Eligio Bishop or Nature Boy documented so many things because they were

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online on their Nature Boy tv.

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We're watching actual footage from them, so we don't even need to

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reconstruct a lot of these moments.

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We just need to contextualize the moments.

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And what I found, uh, so far watching this is the folks who are former members

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who are part of the documentary are doing a really good job of talking

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about how they got to where they got to, but then they're able to pull exact

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moments from footage that these people are speaking to and that I've not

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really seen in a documentary before.

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So you have more context for carbonation than I do because I

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didn't know anything about this until.

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Things started to fall apart and the law got involved and people

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started getting locked up when it hit the mainstream media.

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That's when I heard about it.

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I do, however, remember when I was working, um, at a drop in sensor for,

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for youth experiencing homelessness, one of the young men that, um, I encountered

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there was telling me we had a studio.

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At this, at the, um, drop in center.

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So that was very attractive to the young people because a lot young people love

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to express themselves through music.

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And there was one in particular, and now that I think back up on it out and looking

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at him and the way he presented it.

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It was giving carbonation because he, he was, he was locked in.

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I had no idea who this person was that he kept referring to.

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Nature Boy, this Nature boy that, but he was completely locked in,

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which again speaks to the power of an Eligio Bishop, of a Jim Jones, of the

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person that we are going to speak of.

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And just moments, moments that, um, can have an effect on these young

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people because this is a young person that is experiencing homelessness.

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So he's his life.

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He's going through a traumatic experience.

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There are a lot of these young people.

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Um.

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Were really disenchanted with America, with the United States because at the

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time we were witnessing, um, the, the, uh, the after effects of Ferguson.

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Um, we were also witnessing George Floyd, Sandra Bland.

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All of those murders were happening in front of our faces in real

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time, and America was just.

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Cooking.

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We were in a cauldron pot, and then the occupant of the White House was, um, was

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elected and, um, put into the White House.

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And so the world was in chaos and complete chaos.

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And like I said earlier, this is prime.

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Um, soil for a person who has the country's being led

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by a cult of personalities.

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So why not have your own spinoff and, and people are so disenfranchised with

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what this country is going through.

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You offer something that is, so, you offer paradise basically.

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That's really what it was.

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And you know what he was offering this Black utopia and, and you know, this

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is something that we haven't mentioned.

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Um, both of us were, you know, you are in Atlanta now.

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I was living there at the time.

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Eligio Bishop was based in Atlanta, so there are actually folks that I know

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who met him in Atlanta because he was moving throughout Atlanta in space, um,

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before kind of, uh, carbonation became like a, a thing that was codified.

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So, um, I think it's, it's important for us to remember.

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Not only, of course, you know, folks using music as a way to move people to

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uh, uh, to whatever belief it is, but also that these are also real people that.

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Before, uh, uh, the cult came to be.

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Were kind of collecting folks along the way, um, because this,

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this type of, um, of, uh, charisma doesn't just show up, right?

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It's something that typically folks who, who become cult leaders in this way, uh.

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Have, and, and so we wanted to take this story and kind of go back in

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time because there is a musician who was active in the seventies and the

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eighties who ultimately went on to, uh, not only lead a very active cult.

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But is also serving a, a life prison sentence for some heinous crimes.

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And so the, the, the work of Nature Boy doesn't exist in a vacuum.

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There are other folks that have kind of done similar things in the

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past, and one of the folks that we wanted to bring up was Dr. York.

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Um, and Dr. York went by a number of names, um, but Malachi, Z York and several

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names, but, uh, Dr. York, um, before.

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After, rather, after being Dr. York and being a musician, founded

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the Nuwaubian Nation, um, which ended up in Georgia actually.

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So started in Brooklyn and made its way to Georgia.

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And, um, that is a very interesting and challenging story that we're gonna share.

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So it is funny that you mention the music

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connection with, uh, Dr. York.

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I had no idea.

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I heard about, heard about Dr. York, but I had no idea that he actually

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produced one of my favorite songs.

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That was actually, I guess you would consider it a novelty song

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because it was an answer record

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Mm-hmm.

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to new editions.

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Um, Mr. Telephone Man by a quartet of young ladies who at the time were

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called petite and they released a song Jay Ray called um, he's so fine.

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And they were speaking directly about the members of New Edition

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and each of them would like talk about the, uh, their favorite member

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of New Edition in their own rap.

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And then they would sing about it.

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And it was, it was a cutesy kind of record.

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Um, I think it came out in 86, 87, around there.

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You never heard from them them again until the early nineties when they resurfaced

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as ex-girlfriend, who you all know of from, um, uh, why can't you come home?

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mm-hmm.

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And other songs that were produced by Brooklyn's own full force

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But right now, uh, Jay Ray, give him a rundown, a little history behind Dr. York.

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Dr. Malachi.

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Yeah, so, um, focusing on the, well, first of all, the history

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of Dr. York is, is kind of fascinating.

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I will say this.

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Um, Dr. York, um, began preaching in Brooklyn, um, uh, during the

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Black Power Movement actually.

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And, he started to combine, uh, elements of, , the Morris Science

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Temple, the Nation of Islam, uh, the nation of Gods, and Earths.

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Uh, into kind of its own thing.

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And that's kind of how, uh, Dr. York, and so this is in the, the

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late sixties and the early seventies, so that's how far back this goes.

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But Dr. York also interestingly, had this very vibrant music career.

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So he was known as a session musician, but ended up.

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Founding a, a studio, uh, called Passion Studios.

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Um, had a couple of of record labels, so York's Records, and then Passion Records.

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I think the Petite album came out on York's records, actually,

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or it may have been rereleased on, on, on passion records.

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But, um, he himself in the mid 1980s as well, started to release music.

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Music that also sounded like doo-wop in a lot of ways.

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So it was typically, uh, very male centered, but it would be like these,

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uh, lush vocals and harmonies, and that's kind of what he was doing.

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Lots of, lots of, uh, slow jams and ballads.

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But what's interesting is that.

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He was doing all of this.

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And of course because he had the studio, he was interacting with a lot of, uh,

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other musicians, rappers at the time.

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And so Dr. York also did influence a lot of folks who were in hip hop at the

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time, one of which being Afrika Bambaataa.

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So the, the teachings of, of Dr.

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York that he was doing also did influence, uh, some of the ways that the Universal

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Zulu Nation, um, was also formed.

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So not only was this, this man a. Musician, of course he was also

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preaching, and those teachings influenced a lot of rappers of the day.

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So, uh, you will see pieces of the work of Dr. York, they, they've shown up over

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the years, and not just musical ways, but just in the ways of some of the

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folks in hip hop interacting and moving.

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So, um.

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It's an interesting, interesting history.

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It gets really dark in a moment, but it's, it's, it's a lot there.

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Yeah, I think that's when I became aware of who he was and it

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made the timeline, makes sense that if he was a preacher in the sixties

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and the seventies, that a lot of the people that you and I grew up

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listening to probably would've had.

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Um, some direct connection or influence from this man, including

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like when Jay-Z and Jaz O first hit the scene as the originators.

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They, you know, some of his imagery was in their video.

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And so, um, I know he also influenced, uh, mob Deep.

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There's quite a few people that, um, show up.

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Their names are kind of attached to him at some point.

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I'm not surprised because we're, we are talking about Black liberation,

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um, Black power, um, the, some mysticism thrown in there of course,

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And I can see why people flocked or would flock to that kind of messaging.

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Messaging and would want, again, we're talking about.

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Crack era, uh, HIV epidemic, the, the crumbling reaganomics,

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the crumbling economics.

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New York looks like, you know, a, an atomic bomb went off in

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certain places where most, mostly Black and brown people live.

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So it made sense that as we're seeing the rise of hip hop, which

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is the voice of the young people.

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We're seeing that ascension happening along with this ascension of people

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looking for answers and looking for someone to guide them, which is where we

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end up at some point in Eatonton, Georgia.

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In the 1990s, uh, uh.

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Dr. York moved the community.

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um, They had a compound essentially in Georgia that included pyramids,

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that included, um, uh, uh, statues of sphinxes in gods.

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They were all built by the followers on this property in Georgia.

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So this was not a, a small.

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Operation.

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This was a major compound in Georgia.

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Had you heard about this story at all?

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So I heard, I heard about it after, or it became more after his arrest.

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It became more prominent then because it was all over the news.

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But I think what really caught my attention when looking back is that I was.

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I was associated with people with a producer that was working with people that

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were actually a part of this community

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And if memory serves me correctly, all of these things were

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happening around the same time.

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That, um, OutKast was blowing up and remember when the, um, the at

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ATLien album dropped a lot of that same imagery with the pyramids

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and everything, and the aliens is.

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It is coincides with what the followers of the Nuwaubian nation

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were studying and were a part of.

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So that kind of started incubating here in Georgia and they had, when you go

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out to someplace like Eatonton, Georgia and you get enough land where you can.

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Be out there, um, kind of isolated from eyes, the law and whatnot.

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You know, certain things can go down when you are left to,

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you know, rule on your own.

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I know that we mentioned early on that this much like the

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Eligio Bishop story gets dark, the Dr.

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York Star story gets quite dark, so Dr. York was arrested in May

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of 2002, along with his wife.

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I. And I am gonna read these charges very matter of factly.

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This is what it is he was charged with.

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Or they were charged with more than 100 counts of sexually molesting dozens of

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children, some as young as four years old.

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State prosecutors apparently reduced that from over a thousand potential cases,

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uh, because they felt like the jury just wouldn't believe the magnitude of it.

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So he ended up being convicted by a jury in 2004 on multiple counts of

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child sexual abuse as well as a rico.

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So, um, he was sentenced to a sentenced to 135 years in federal prison with more

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than 70 of those years, uh, stemming directly from racketeering, uh, and

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financial crimes under the RICO statute.

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Um, so he is still, um, in prison.

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Um, and that it's an awful story.

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Um, that once again reminds us of what can, what, what harm can happen

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with someone who is a manipulator.

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Um, and.

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People who are looking and searching for something get attached, you

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know, because of the way that this person, what this person is

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teaching and the way that they teach.

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And, um, it's just a reminder of how important it is to be mindful of, um.

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Those who we follow and how we move throughout the world.

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Um, because I didn't, like I said, I didn't learn about this until

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much later, and it was like, what?

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How is this possible?

Sir Daniel: 00:23:23

I'm wondering Jay Ray, now.

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a lot of people are, they're highly upset and they're pointing at people

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within our community that they're highly upset with because of the situation

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we're in now, I'm starting to wonder.

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Because of people's disenchantment with this country still,

Jay Ray: 00:23:43

Mm-hmm.

Sir Daniel: 00:23:44

I'm wondering if there is going to be, if we will see the

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rise of someone else now to come along and to, you know, to, to try

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and offer people some form of hope.

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And if nothing, I think what you said should is a warning.

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Also to the rest of us.

Sir Daniel: 00:24:05

Like, listen, things are tough right now and there's going probably

Sir Daniel: 00:24:09

going to be other people who are going to be vying for your attention

Jay Ray: 00:24:14

Mm-hmm.

Sir Daniel: 00:24:14

and in hopes that you will follow their.

Sir Daniel: 00:24:18

Their lead in hopes that you, you know, will probably sell you a dream of

Sir Daniel: 00:24:23

paradise, like a nature boy and who may come with some really good music at,

Sir Daniel: 00:24:29

at at the same time, or offer you the opportunity to platform your music and

Sir Daniel: 00:24:35

if you are a musician, singer, whatever.

Jay Ray: 00:24:37

Mm.

Sir Daniel: 00:24:38

I think these are things that we need to be aware

Sir Daniel: 00:24:41

of and to just be cognizant of.

Sir Daniel: 00:24:43

Okay.

Sir Daniel: 00:24:45

I know things are tough right now.

Sir Daniel: 00:24:47

Let's just be mindful of who comes along offering solutions immediately

Sir Daniel: 00:24:52

and just really take the time to listen to things, listen to the language that

Sir Daniel: 00:24:57

they're, that they're speaking with, and just, just put some thought into it.

Sir Daniel: 00:25:03

'cause the cult of personality is what led us to where we are now.

Sir Daniel: 00:25:09

And so I think these are.

Sir Daniel: 00:25:11

These are great lessons.

Sir Daniel: 00:25:12

People like the Nature Boys, the Dr. Malachi Yorks, that we could look

Sir Daniel: 00:25:17

at to kind of see what we can look out for, um, when it comes to, you

Sir Daniel: 00:25:23

know, people that are vying that are saying that they can lead us to the

Sir Daniel: 00:25:27

right path or lead us to paradise.

Jay Ray: 00:25:31

Absolutely.

Jay Ray: 00:25:31

There's that, um, classic quote.

Jay Ray: 00:25:34

Who is it from, from, uh, Maya Angelou.

Jay Ray: 00:25:36

Uh, who says, when people show you who they are, believe them.

Jay Ray: 00:25:41

You ha pay attention, um, for your sake and the sake of your

Jay Ray: 00:25:48

children, the sake of your family.

Jay Ray: 00:25:50

I think it's incredibly important.

Jay Ray: 00:25:52

And listen, we talk about this a lot on this show.

Jay Ray: 00:25:57

Music has the power to heal.

Jay Ray: 00:25:59

Music also has the power to harm.

Jay Ray: 00:26:02

Pay attention to those frequencies.

Jay Ray: 00:26:04

If there's something in a song that don't feel right.

Jay Ray: 00:26:07

You can turn that song off and you can acknowledge like, I dunno about that.

Jay Ray: 00:26:12

There was something in that that just didn't sit where I needed it to sit.

Jay Ray: 00:26:17

Right.

Jay Ray: 00:26:18

Pay attention to those things because we have so much of

Jay Ray: 00:26:22

that innate with us, right?

Jay Ray: 00:26:25

As someone who loves a, a dance and a dj, I could tell when the DJ is

Jay Ray: 00:26:31

having a good night or a bad night.

Jay Ray: 00:26:34

Based on how they play, what they play, and like what

Jay Ray: 00:26:39

journey they are taking me on.

Jay Ray: 00:26:41

Is this a journey to a place where I wanna go, or is this a journey that, you know

Jay Ray: 00:26:45

what, I'm gonna cut this night out early.

Jay Ray: 00:26:47

Right?

Jay Ray: 00:26:48

So I. Just pay attention to it and realize that, uh, a carbon

Jay Ray: 00:26:55

nation does not happen in a vacuum.

Jay Ray: 00:26:57

There have been other carbon nations, uh, that have existed over time.

Jay Ray: 00:27:03

And uh, yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:27:05

We just have to be, we have to be mindful.

Jay Ray: 00:27:07

Yeah.

Sir Daniel: 00:27:09

I think you hit the nail on the head.

Sir Daniel: 00:27:11

Just basically mind the energy

Jay Ray: 00:27:15

Mind the energy.

Sir Daniel: 00:27:16

and.

Sir Daniel: 00:27:18

Attention to your instincts.

Sir Daniel: 00:27:19

Your instincts are never wrong.

Jay Ray: 00:27:21

Yep.

Jay Ray: 00:27:22

Yep.

Jay Ray: 00:27:23

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Jay Ray: 00:27:29

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Jay Ray: 00:27:30

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Jay Ray: 00:27:35

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Jay Ray: 00:27:38

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Jay Ray: 00:27:41

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Jay Ray: 00:27:44

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Jay Ray: 00:27:47

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Jay Ray: 00:27:48

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Jay Ray: 00:27:54

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Jay Ray: 00:27:57

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Jay Ray: 00:28:00

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Jay Ray: 00:28:01

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Sir Daniel: 00:28:22

Absolutely.

Sir Daniel: 00:28:23

And like I always say in this life, you have a choice.

Sir Daniel: 00:28:26

You can either pick up the needle or you could let the record play.

Sir Daniel: 00:28:29

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Jay Ray: 00:28:31

And my name is Jay Ray.

Sir Daniel: 00:28:33

And this is Queue Points podcast, dropping the

Sir Daniel: 00:28:36

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Sir Daniel: 00:28:38

We will see you on the next go round piece.

Jay Ray: 00:28:41

Peace, y'all.