Amplifying the Culture: Queue Points Live from Banjee Boombox '25

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What's up everybody?

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Welcome to this bonus episode of Queue Points.

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In August of 2025, Queue Points had the opportunity to participate as the

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featured podcast at Banjee Boombox.

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Banjee Boombox is a woman led QTBIPOC Festival collective committed to

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creating safe spaces for women, gender expansive and sexually diverse artists.

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This year, Banjee Boombox was held in Atlanta, and we were so happy to pull up.

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We had two tables, we had giveaways, and we had a special bonus Queue

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Points episode that folks could listen to while they were in the space.

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We want to give a special shout out to Tyree Parks.

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Ty, actually came through to help Queue Points out, but Ty also sat down for

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an onsite interview to respond to the statement that we had at the table.

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'Gospel music no longer influences mainstream black music.

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Sit down and change our minds." Here's what Ty had to say.

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Alright, so we're here at Banjee Boombox, and

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I'm sitting here with Ty.

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Ty, you want to change my mind about this question or you have a response?

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Well, I feel like as far as the question, um, I agree with it.

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I think that, uh, it affects the readiness of artists today because

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you think of artists like even Whitney Houston, even coming up some, um,

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Fantasia, you, you, you have to be ready.

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To go into the music and do and perform it.

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And I think without the influence of gospel, artists aren't ready to do that.

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And they have only can go in the studio and do 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 takes when in reality

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it, it didn't used to be like that.

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And then just the way you feel it brings that feeling.

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Of emoting emotion from other people

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and you just don't feel that anymore.

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That's my take on it.

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But what if, what if I can't, I can't sing like Whitney but I like other

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artists that I know I could sing like?

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As, as far as the artist trying to get out there.

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Yeah.

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Well you, you have to have that talent.

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I mean,

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it, it, I mean, I know some people out said that don't really have

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that talent and then they get people to, they, um, studio up their voice

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and, and doctor it out, but I think that that's what people don't feel.

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You have to, you have to have that something.

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Which lends itself to listening to gospel music being brought up in

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gospel music being brought up, thinking gospel music in front of people in

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front of the church and congregations.

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That's where it comes from.

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Our next guest is a podcast legend who stopped by to

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answer the same question as Ty.

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Keisha 'TK' Dutes sat down with us to respond to the statement 'gospel music

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no longer influences mainstream black music,' but we also spent a few minutes

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with TK talking about her new podcast.

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Take a listen.

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Alright, we're chilling here.

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And banjo, boombox and I got the icon herself.

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TK in the building.

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Lemme take my earrings off of this.

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Hold up.

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Shit got real.

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Shit.

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Got real.

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I don't wanna fight.

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I wanna love, you know what I'm saying?

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Yeah.

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Hold up.

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There we go.

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Now we on the air.

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All right, so we got TK in the building, so change my mind.

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Tk?

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Yeah,

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right here.

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The yes.

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Gospel music no longer influences his mainstream black music.

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I don't know if I can change the mind.

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Okay.

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But I can say that I,

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gospel music for me is a cousin of siblings to house music.

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And if house music is still propping in our black communities, it's

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feeding gospel of feeding into that.

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So I don't think I can change your mind.

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I think I probably agree with you, you know, but it's like,

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it, it's feeding into it.

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I don't think a lot of people know that it's gospels come, it's, you

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know, like where it's coming from.

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So it's not gonna have the influence 'cause they don't know the roof.

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Mm-hmm.

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So while Little did, did you know that CK flew in all the way from New York Right.

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For Bull Box and it's, this is rare.

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I don't get to see her at maybe once a year.

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Yeah.

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At um, at, um, Afros and audios.

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Yeah.

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So this is a treat for me to be sitting face to face with

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you and to have you on the mic.

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Thanks.

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So while you're here, I need you to tell us everything that you've

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got going on, man, because I know you have, you're on a new journey.

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Yeah.

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New journey for me.

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Um, I've been yelping, people make podcast for so long.

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I have my own radio show with my co um, my creative partner conscious.

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But there's something about having your own, own, own, own podcast.

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Yes.

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Where the thing is your storytelling, your thing, but also you're the I'm the thing

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the ap.

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Yes.

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I'm the thing.

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Yes.

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So I'm feeling real vulnerable right now, and, and it is vulnerable.

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The whole, the topic, it's my healing gurney, you know,

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of course, burnout, grease,

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the burnout is real,

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the burnout is real, and the way it affects us marginalized people, also black

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women, also, just every category, Sam.

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Yeah.

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Yo, I'm, I have to reckon with that.

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So this is where I put it all

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real.

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I put it out there, you know, I've been, you know how you see things in

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passing, like in social media or whatnot?

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I'm saying like, do I have a DH, adhd?

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Child, but a friend of mine told me that it, that can come from burnout as well.

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Yeah.

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Like those symptoms, those not being able to concentrate, not being able

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to, you know, have the energy to, you know, you have stuff to do.

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Yeah.

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And it's like, okay, I gotta push myself to do this.

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Being forgetful.

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Yes.

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All of those things.

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I've dealt with it also, so I'm like, I'm, it's a symptom.

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I'm here with you all that.

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Do

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we have this thing or do we don't?

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Either way we have the symptom of something larger.

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The,

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the world is telling us that like.

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We can't contend with it.

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Right.

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So what do you do?

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You are like, yo, I have to fall all the way back.

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Mm-hmm.

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I have to actually think about, do I wanna stay in this professionally?

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Um, and I'm gonna just be super honest, like, this might,

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this might be the thing that I try and then, and then I'm done.

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Okay.

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Try,

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you know what I'm saying?

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Gotcha.

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Sometimes you say, okay, if I'm not feeling the love.

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I'll try one more thing, you know?

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Yeah.

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This is us doing a couples therapy, me and Po Me and the podcast.

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I

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love that analogy.

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Yeah.

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So please tell us about before you go Yeah.

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Tell us the name of the podcast and when we can expect it with Yeah.

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Dropping all of that good stuff.

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Yo, it's called The

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Secret Life of TK, um, journey through my creativity, my burnout,

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my grief, my joy, all that stuff.

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The flea view to the whole show just dropped the other j Oh, wow.

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So you can get a taste of it everywhere.

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Uh, that you can hear podcast and it's coming in fall 2025.

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So it's around the corner?

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Yes.

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And it's, I don't have no timeline 'cause I'm in charge.

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I do whatever want what I want fam

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you the boss.

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Fall, fall 2025.

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This is no fall.

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You the boss.

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Thank you fam.

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And thank

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you for staying stopping by.

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I appreciate you.

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Love you.

TK: 00:07:23

Love you too.

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Alright.

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Peace.

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We had another legend stop by the table.

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Corey Gumbs, founder of the Black Podcasters Association, stopped by to

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respond to the statement that we had on the table at the time, 'the rise

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of streaming has harmed the quality of music being produced today.'

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Check out what Corey had to say.

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Banjee Boombox fam.

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We are here in Atlanta, and sitting across from me, I have the founder of the

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Black Podcasters Association, Corey Gums.

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Corey, the rise of streaming has harmed the quality of music being produced today.

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Do you believe that?

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Yes and no.

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Okay.

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Um, I think because the way the streamings ecosystem is set up, yes.

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It harms the quality because people have to constantly keep putting out music.

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Ah, yes.

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And they, it is not taking time to really produce a song.

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You know, um, and I think that's part of the problem sonically.

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I know some people like the analog sound, the, you know, that dirty sound.

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Mm-hmm.

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Digitally, I, I mean, being a producer and a music pad, I don't really care.

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Okay.

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I like, I like, um, I like the, the sound surround sound aspect of it and all that.

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So for me, that's not that big of a deal, but I think the streaming business is

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going to hurt the quality of the music.

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Yeah.

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Um, you know, with.

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I, because now artists are constantly just putting out music to, to meet,

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meet those album, those album deals.

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Yeah.

Corey Gumbs: 00:08:57

Um, people are copying 'cause it's so easy to put it out and stream it.

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Yes.

Corey Gumbs: 00:09:01

Versus the whole process that we used to go through

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with a and r and music structuring songs and all that stuff.

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So that's why I feel like it hurts the business side of things.

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Banjee Boombox featured a lot of amazing special guests,

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and one of them was Jasmin Benward.

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Jasmin Benward is an artist, author, multidisciplinary writer, singer,

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songwriter, and a music supervisor.

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Jasmin sat down for an interview with us where we got to talk a little bit

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about what a music supervisor does.

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What types of projects she has worked on and what types of projects

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she'd be really excited to work on.

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Take a listen to the conversation.

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Alright, so Queue Points podcast is on location here in Atlanta.

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Jay Ray is not via internet.

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He's sitting right next to me and we are here live at Banjee Boombox,

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live from Buckhead Art and Co. Here in the middle of Buckhead, Atlanta.

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And Jay Ray, we have a special guest.

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We do.

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We have a special guest that took some time to sit down and talk with us.

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She's a very busy woman.

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We have Jasmin Benward, music supervisor.

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We want to talk to you because you're a storyteller in your own right.

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Yeah.

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The music, if you ask me, and I'm sure others will agree.

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It is just as important as a character as the main leads of the show.

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Right.

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So tell our listeners just a little bit about what a music supervisor does.

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Mm-hmm.

Jasmin Benward: 00:10:31

For sure.

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Um, the music supervisor is, um, usually brought on in

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post and they're a key player.

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Um, what they do is they're responsible for the clearances of a project.

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Not only do they have to source, they may do it, um, amongst the team, but they have

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to source the music, um, for the project.

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And then they also have to get the clearances for it and

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do the administrative work.

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So there's the creative side, but then there's also the administrative side.

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Wow.

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Mm-hmm.

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That, that's actually a really good point because, 'cause how

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there's an arc to it, right?

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So there's the business side of things, but there's an arc to figuring out.

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What songs are the right fit for the right projects in the right moments?

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What's that process like for you?

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Yeah,

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it changes with every project, but I love it so much.

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Usually I'm working with clients and they'll give me a brief, or it depends.

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Sometimes I'll have only the scripts or I'll have, they may

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know already, so they may give me what's called tonal references.

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But I may be the one providing it to them.

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If they're not sure.

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They may say, oh, my world takes place in New York, um, and it's modern

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day and I want an eclectic sound.

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And I'm like, say less.

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And so.

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My first instinct is to find, um, local artists that I can

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work with because why would I not have their voices in this space?

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And so there's that.

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But then, um, you know, just taking into account what it means to

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be in that world, the tone, the mood, how they want it to feel.

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Um.

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If they wanna do anything like niche, that's sonic, um, I'm taking all

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those things into consideration.

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Is it, is it, um, a period piece, like, you know, it, it could really, um,

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determine like which direction I go to.

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Um, but I love to draw things from like my own personal

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collection of things that I love.

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While also bringing new voices and new talent into this space.

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Um, and so I'm always pitching, um, throughout the entire process,

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I'm pitching like, okay, what do you think about this artist?

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Have you heard about them?

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Um, how do you feel about that?

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And they're, they're like, blown away.

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And so.

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Um, so far it's been, it's been good.

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Um, on one of my more recent projects, it was really cool because I got a chance

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to work in a DAW myself and like, um, make sure that I did the time stamps

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and got those over to the sound editor.

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But I had the picture, um, which was really good because I don't always have

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each episode and they were handing it off.

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And so it's like.

Jasmin Benward: 00:13:11

Okay, um, picture lock and then it's like, okay, you go ahead and get

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your stamps, source this music, place it, put it where it needs to go.

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You, you give notes, you hand it over to song editor and it was

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just, the turnover was crazy.

Sir Daniel: 00:13:24

Love that.

Sir Daniel: 00:13:25

So you mentioned periods, so I know you, you, you have a eclectic background

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as far as the music is concerned.

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If you were asked to work on a piece Oh, from a specific time period?

Sir Daniel: 00:13:37

Oh, I was talking like sixties, seventies, eighties, nineties.

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Like if you said, oh, you know what I want to do?

Sir Daniel: 00:13:47

Oh, where would you land, Jasmine?

Jasmin Benward: 00:13:49

Okay.

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I am obsessed with the seventies.

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I obviously was not around yet, but it's like some of the best music, the style,

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the, the activism that was going on.

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Just so much flavor and so I would love to do that.

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But then in terms of like genre, um, I would love to do a western, Ooh,

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I really wanna do a Western Uhhuh.

Jasmin Benward: 00:14:13

Yeah,

Sir Daniel: 00:14:14

I would love, I would love to hear that.

Jay Ray: 00:14:15

Yeah.

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Uh, I love snow.

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Um.

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Ja, before we let you go, we are here at Fan g Bullock in Atlanta.

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From your perspective, why is it important that platforms like this

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exist for podcasters, for musicians?

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Why is that important?

Jasmin Benward: 00:14:32

Ooh, um, access and inclusion, um, liquid is on the

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same, on the same wave that I am.

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We, we met at glad and so we've kept in contact.

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But, um, there's just so much inequity in terms of information and so, and, um,

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we like to get our heads together and see how we can give back in that way.

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And I feel like, um, pertinent information for the things that you're

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already good at and know that you wanna do can get you into spaces that.

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You wouldn't have imagined before just because you're knowledgeable and that

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you're empowered by people who look like you, who have interest in you succeeding.

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And, um, the industry is very, um, is very whitewashed and it's very male dominated.

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Um, and so, yeah, I I make it a point not to gate keep.

Sir Daniel: 00:15:22

Well listen, Ja Benard has been our guest.

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We are, listen, I'm so glad that.

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Liquid did do this so we could meet you.

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So, and you are introduced to our listeners, please let them know

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how they can contact you or get, keep in contact with you and find

Sir Daniel: 00:15:38

out where your next project is

Jasmin Benward: 00:15:40

for sure.

Jasmin Benward: 00:15:40

Okay.

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So, um, definitely follow on Instagram.

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It's at Wright, like you're writing something.

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W-R-I-T-E-O-N-J-A-S.

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Um, that's like my primary that I'm using all the time.

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Um, it's also linked to my link tree that has books and playlists and, um.

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Interview all of the things that you may wanna dig around and find out more.

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Um, and also my email because I believe in people being able to contact you.

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So it's info dot Create the Room, which is my business, um, at gmail.com.

Sir Daniel: 00:16:14

Thanks.

Sir Daniel: 00:16:14

Thank you so much

Jay Ray: 00:16:15

gentlemen.

Jay Ray: 00:16:16

Thank you for being here on two you.

Jay Ray: 00:16:18

Yes.

Jay Ray: 00:16:18

You

Jasmin Benward: 00:16:19

so happy.

Jasmin Benward: 00:16:19

Such a pleasure.

Sir Daniel: 00:16:20

Thank you.

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